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How would you pronounce 'Tsang'

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:30 pm
by Foo
Meeting someone tomorrow with the Taiwanese-chinese family name Tsang, can anyone confirm how to pronounce this? 'zang' was my first guess but I suspect it's wrong.

I haven't been able to find a Pinyin article listing 'Ts', so I'm not even sure if it falls under that system.

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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:33 pm
by 4days
edit: nvm

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:33 pm
by Foo
Memphis wrote:'sang' i'm guessing
99% sure it's not that simple.

Just been looking on wikipedia's article for Pinyin (which is long and complex) and I think if could either be 'zang' or 'chang'.

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:38 pm
by rgoer
"Tsa" is not Pinyin, it's a Wade-Giles version of the Pinyin "Za"

So it looks like it would be pronounced Zang

edit btw I have no idea about any of this shit, this is just what google told me

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:38 pm
by o'dium
Isn't it "Shang"? As in "Shh-ang"...?

As in Mortal Kombat announcer style?

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:39 pm
by 4days
o'dium wrote:Isn't it "Shang"? As in "Shh-ang"...?

As in Mortal Kombat announcer style?
that's what i'd posted (shan), but it's the wrong kind of chinese (according to google)

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:41 pm
by Ryoki
Foo wrote:Meeting someone tomorrow with the Taiwanese-chinese family name Tsang
...have you considered asking them?

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:43 pm
by 4days
Ryoki wrote:...have you considered asking them?
that's just crazy talk.

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:47 pm
by Ryoki
4days wrote:that's just crazy talk.
lol i know

I now have this mental image of Foo actually meeting a woman of some sort and wanting to prepare himself properly.

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:47 pm
by Ryoki
Memphis wrote:There's a bird at my works who's name is Rentia Van Vuuren and i didn't half fuck that up on first attempt :)
I could pronounce that with ease :icon31:

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:48 pm
by MKJ
wtf kinda name is Rentia?

and the v in van is lowercase. fucking anglo

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:55 pm
by feedback
That isn't pinyin, but pinyin doesn't really apply because they're taiwanese, not chinese. It's probably "Zang" (and the 'a' is an 'aah' sound, not 'ae'). Bottom line though is that they're used to having their last name misprounounced on an hourly basis, I doubt they really care. If it's very important, ask them when you meet them how you should pronounce their name.

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:59 pm
by R00k
I would pronounce that exactly as it's spelled - tsang.

Like an ess-tset in Deutsche.

But that's probably because I know shit about Asian languages. :shrug:

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:01 pm
by [xeno]Julios
In situations like these, I just ask the person:

"how do you pronounce your name?"

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:03 pm
by losCHUNK
i just resort to calling them buddy :|

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:07 pm
by R00k
I usually give the old college try myself, as most of the time I will either get it right (and impress), or close enough to get a warm smile and friendly correction.

And the rare times I get it badly wrong, it's usually a good laugh had by everyone which doesn't bother me either.

On the other hand, if you know your pronunciation skills are shit -- or if you're not socially quick enough to smooth over rough patches in conversations, your best bet is probably just to ask them. :)

Either way, I certainly wouldn't put too much effort into learning cultural pronunciations and such -- like memph said, anybody who is that uptight about the pronunciation of their last name by a stranger from another culture probably isn't really worth getting to know anyway IMO.

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:07 pm
by feedback
losCHUNK wrote:i just resort to calling them buddy :|
I'd recommend "Chingy-Changy"

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:14 pm
by seremtan
or 'slitty-eyes'

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:29 pm
by l0g1c
I'm in agreeance with "sang" citing the Mortal Kombat character Shang Tsung as reference.

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:30 pm
by Dr_Watson
losCHUNK wrote:i just resort to calling them buddy :|
or you could just talk at them and hope that eye contact is a valid replacement for nomenclature formalities.

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:33 pm
by l0g1c
If you really want to impress him, keep referring to his home as the "Republic of China."

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:46 pm
by o'dium
A girl at my old school was called:

Belindabulindabingharibondarbordingbuddyval.

TRUSPEK I shit you not.

She was happy with just "Belinda" though, thank fuck.

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:51 pm
by Foo
Eh, thanks Feedback, rgoer et al. Z-aah-ng seems to be a solid interpretation.

As for asking them in person and not 'being spot on', if I'd just done that I'd have no idea about Pinyin or chinese regional family names right now, and it's interesting stuff to know. I might even have a half-correct idea of something that'll spark an interesting conversation with her.

I dunno how some of you guys have the idea that a straightforwards question translates into harbouring some kind of major social phobia, weakness or vulnerability, but top marks for comedy efforts, lolloo!

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:54 pm
by Captain
o'dium wrote:Isn't it "Shang"? As in "Shh-ang"...?

As in Mortal Kombat announcer style?
You mean "Shang-Tsung"?

I believe it is pronounced "Shang-Suhng", but with a bit of a "zzz" sound. "Szang"... :shrug:

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:00 pm
by Guest
i knew this because I buy a lot of mongolian fire oil made by house of tsang its really good and will make any food taste better its not just hot and no taste its spicy and really tasty at the same time put it on meats and youll be glad i told you

edit: i guess it would taste good on cheese too but i havent tried it im just eating a bowl of fruit and cheese right now so it reminded me but i dont want to try it cause im scared of getting some on the fruit and wasting it so i'll just assume it would taste good i guess