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bush just pulled a hitler move...

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:29 pm
by puffalufagus
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/30/washi ... r=homepage
In an executive order published last week in the Federal Register, Mr. Bush said that each agency must have a regulatory policy office run by a political appointee, to supervise the development of rules and documents providing guidance to regulated industries.
yes this smacks of the soviet union...and look who else has done this shit before...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act

we should be rioting in the streets...no?

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:38 pm
by MKJ
secret spies everywhere eh?
nothing bolsters the trust of the general public more !

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:41 pm
by Eraser
MKJ wrote:secret spies everywhere eh?
nothing bolsters the trust of the general public more !
That's actually unsecret spies. They're even worse.

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:43 pm
by MKJ
point
dont know if thats worse though. if you know who they are you know who to trust :icon32:

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:44 pm
by Duhard
war on...

Re: bush just pulled a hitler move...

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:15 pm
by busetibi
puffalufagus wrote: we should be rioting in the streets...no?
go for it.

and i'll bet you still hold on to the fantasy that bush will be impeached.

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:56 pm
by R00k
Great, now all the lobbyists can bribe this one guy and go straight to the horse's mouth.

I guess this was his answer to the lobbying/ethics bills being passed in the House and Senate, to make sure policy can still be bought.

Fucking awesome.

I don't see the comparison to the Enabling Act in Germany though.

Re: bush just pulled a hitler move...

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:09 pm
by Nightshade
busetibi wrote:
puffalufagus wrote: we should be rioting in the streets...no?
go for it.

and i'll bet you still hold on to the fantasy that bush will be impeached.
No one with a brain is holding out any hope that that will happen. The Dems have pretty much said as much, basically hey don't want to shoot their wad before the '08 elections (when Billary fucks everything up and puts another Republican in the White House. :dork: )

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:12 pm
by R00k
You share my opinion about Hillary the Secret Self-Defeat Weapon then.

I swear to god, the Democrats are complete fucking idiots and are just as out of touch as the Republicans.

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:22 pm
by puffalufagus
it's more like the soviet union than germany actually...

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:32 pm
by plained
so ypu'all goen be pissed off still after hillery gets in?

i think she'd be alright :shrug:

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:42 pm
by SplishSplash
It is important not to confuse enabling acts from different times & places, since their effect varies widely.

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:48 pm
by puffalufagus
plained wrote:so ypu'all goen be pissed off still after hillery gets in?

i think she'd be alright :shrug:
whats that got to do with this thread?

jesus and look at this...

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-6154457.html
"What they're doing is even worse than Carnivore," said Kevin Bankston, a staff attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation who attended the Stanford event. "What they're doing is intercepting everyone and then choosing their targets."

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:07 pm
by plained
:shrug: i guess but isnt all that an inevitable end fact with a tech such as the internet?

imo

one way or another all the data is still there so its there to get.

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:39 pm
by SplishSplash
I've come to terms with Bush and the government and everything else in this way:

Life will always suck unless you are rich, no matter what system you live in. So there is only one solution: Get rich.

Complaining on the internet, political activism, etc. is all pointless.
Just say I don't care and mind your own business.

Yeah I know, that's how hitler got into power etc.

It's still true.

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:46 pm
by Massive Quasars
SplishSplash wrote:Life will always suck unless you are rich, no matter what system you live in. So there is only one solution: Get rich.
I think you're finally coming around.

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:13 pm
by SplishSplash
you're wtf-ing me more and more these days

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:40 pm
by [xeno]Julios
from the linked article:
In theory, guidance documents do not have the force of law. But the White House said the documents needed closer scrutiny because they “can have coercive effects” and “can impose significant costs” on the public. Many guidance documents are made available to regulated industries but not to the public.

Paul R. Noe, who worked on regulatory policy at the White House from 2001 to 2006, said such aberrations would soon end. “In the past, guidance documents were often issued in the dark,” Mr. Noe said. “The executive order will ensure they are issued in the sunshine, with more opportunity for public comment.”

Under the new White House policy, any guidance document expected to have an economic effect of $100 million a year or more must be posted on the Internet, and agencies must invite public comment, except in emergencies in which the White House grants an exemption.
I kinda like this particular idea about public access to the guidance documents, but from what I was able to glean, the new order is much more than simply making guidance documents transparent, right?

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:26 pm
by Iccy
SplishSplash wrote:I've come to terms with Bush and the government and everything else in this way:

Life will always suck unless you are rich, no matter what system you live in. So there is only one solution: Get rich.

Complaining on the internet, political activism, etc. is all pointless.
Just say I don't care and mind your own business.

Yeah I know, that's how hitler got into power etc.

It's still true.


:icon14: spot on mate, realizing the same thing myself. wish i new this 10 years ago.

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:50 pm
by MKJ
spoken like a real kraut

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:39 pm
by seremtan
the funny part, had everyone adopted the splish philosophy centuries ago, splish would today be a peon or serf toiling in his lord's fields in exchange for the right to eat turnips. it's only thanks to the people who actually did something that he has the leisure time to admire himself in the mirror like a gayboy and post crap on an internet message board

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:52 pm
by SplishSplash
seremtan wrote:the funny part, had everyone adopted the splish philosophy centuries ago, splish would today be a peon or serf toiling in his lord's fields in exchange for the right to eat turnips. it's only thanks to the people who actually did something that he has the leisure time to admire himself in the mirror like a gayboy and post crap on an internet message board
How is plowing a field much different from a data entry job for example? You're no more free than those serfs, maybe even less.

Whatever comforts you and I enjoy were given to us mostly by advances in technology.

Furthermore, farmers during the french revolution for example had absolutely no way to get rich and were about to starve, so the revolution was pretty much "their business" and their way to "get rich".

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:02 pm
by mjrpes
as long as there's bread and circuses...

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:05 pm
by HM-PuFFNSTuFF
hitler moves are a dime a dozen

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:15 pm
by seremtan
SplishSplash wrote:
seremtan wrote:the funny part, had everyone adopted the splish philosophy centuries ago, splish would today be a peon or serf toiling in his lord's fields in exchange for the right to eat turnips. it's only thanks to the people who actually did something that he has the leisure time to admire himself in the mirror like a gayboy and post crap on an internet message board
How is plowing a field much different from a data entry job for example? You're no more free than those serfs, maybe even less.

Whatever comforts you and I enjoy were given to us mostly by advances in technology.

Furthermore, farmers during the french revolution for example had absolutely no way to get rich and were about to starve, so the revolution was pretty much "their business" and their way to "get rich".
you're on a hiding to nothing here. just give it up