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http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... 43,00.html

An American senior citizen killed an alleged mugger with his bare hands, and his traveling companions aboard a tour bus fended of two other assailants in the Atlantic coast city of Limon, police said.

GG.

Dude, I wouldn't fuck with a guy that iced a bear with his bare hands

Hope the fucker goes to prison :icon7:

feedback wrote:Hope the fucker goes to prison :icon7:

I'm not sure if you are joking, serious or trolling - but I hope the cunt serves some time.

I'd rather someone take every material possesion of mine, than I take his life.

It sounds like (and im ready to be proven totally wrong) that he subdued the mugger, then decided to take his life.

fuck him in the ass

i would hope that you DIDENT Read that artical... because they CLEARLY say... and i quote: "The tourists left on their Carnival cruise ship after the incident and Hernandez said authorities do not plan to press any charges against them. "They were in their right to defend themselves after being held up," he said"

So, No, he will not be charged..

AmIdYfReAk wrote:
So, No, he will not be charged..

he should have been.

its a little fucked up when people think they can take a life to protect their own property.

he was stealing my car - i shot him
he was on my property - i shot him

a life should be taken when
a. there is no non-fatal action that can be taken
b. there is a clear threat to your own life - if someone mugs you, the safest option is to hand over your shit.

w3rd

He may have suffocated the mugger in a headlock in the heat of the moment as both were struggling against each other.

Had he already been clearly subdued and retired G.I. Joe went at him to finish the job, then I'd be more inclined to prosecute.

To kill him, he'd have to keep him in the choke (not a headlock, as the story refers to it) for 3-4 minutes. Past 2 is brain damage.

Yeah, and he was probably out of it for a brief period before death. Who knows though, the old fart might have thought the mugger feigned passing out so he could ease up on his hold. People can respond with excessive caution in these situations.

horton wrote:It sounds like (and im ready to be proven totally wrong) that he subdued the mugger, then decided to take his life.

fuck him in the ass

I take the stance (and im ready to be proven totally wrong) that he did not knowingly decide to take the guy's life.

don't fuck him in the ass

Id say fuck him in the ass with a spoon.

If someone is protecting themselves, they punch someone and kill them..its reasonable, they had no realistic way to know there was a chance of killing them.

If someone who has been trained in military hand to hand combat, takes a life, I would say they are likely to know exactly what they were doing, and what the consequences of using such a choke is likely to be.

Im gonna remember this situation next time i see someone smoking a joint, Im going to snap their bones, then choke them past unconciousness and into death. Then because they were commiting a criminal act, I will get away with it.

feedback wrote:To kill him, he'd have to keep him in the choke (not a headlock, as the story refers to it) for 3-4 minutes. Past 2 is brain damage.

FYI if I'm ever in a life or death situation and get the upper hand like that, I'm not going to kill them. Nope, I'm going to make them retarded. It will make it that much sweeter, as well as defendable.

edit: horton, you strike me as someone with a strong sense of justice, I admire that

feedback wrote:
edit: horton, you strike me as someone with a strong sense of justice, I admire that

thank you, sir.

I have no problems with someone snapping the arms and legs of someone who is trying to mug them, however I dont believe in the death penalty, I dont think police should shoot unless to save a life, and I'd hate to take a life.

Its hard when emotions are flying, my gf's cousin was murdered a couple of months ago, and my first thoughts were to have someone cut his throat in jail. but when you step back and try to think fairly, rather than with emotions, its never the right thing to take a life.

I didnt support the execution of saddam, so a mugger has the right to live.

horton wrote:

feedback wrote:
edit: horton, you strike me as someone with a strong sense of justice, I admire that

thank you, sir.

I have no problems with someone snapping the arms and legs of someone who is trying to mug them, however I dont believe in the death penalty, I dont think police should shoot unless to save a life, and I'd hate to take a life.

Its hard when emotions are flying, my gf's cousin was murdered a couple of months ago, and my first thoughts were to have someone cut his throat in jail. but when you step back and try to think fairly, rather than with emotions, its never the right thing to take a life.

I didnt support the execution of saddam, so a mugger has the right to live.

It's not that I disagree with this particularly, but I just don't think you can always expect dispassionate reasoned response from victims of muggings.

I'm not approving of the old guy's actions, just disinclined to prosecute unless the specifics of the case clearly implicate him in a crime (i.e. something above and beyond self-defense).

horton wrote:Im gonna remember this situation next time i see someone smoking a joint, Im going to snap their bones, then choke them past unconciousness and into death. Then because they were commiting a criminal act, I will get away with it.

Why are you bringing up smoking weed? Passively smoking weed without harming anyone else, versus actively putting a gun to someone's head and grabbing their neck (for that account of the story, go here) are, to me, very different types of 'breaking the law'. No one's life is involved in the former, while it is very unclear in the latter.

I agree with you that it is wrong for someone to take the life of another person when the situation is not life threatening. I know absolutely nothing about military hand-to-hand combat, so if you think the guy must have known exactly what he was doing when he killed his assailant... then surely that was the wrong thing to do. But I'm not much of a believer in capital punishment, either, so I don't think I'd go as far as having the old man fucked in the ass with a spoon.

I think that all of the excitement against killing the guy seems a bit dumb. If you're holding someone around the throat hard enough to snap their clavicle, it can't be that hard to crush their windpipe, can it? Especially not when you're in the middle of dealing with the fact that the guy you're pwning has a couple of friends trying to mug your friends.

most of limon's a lawless shithole. it's a shame the guy died, but if the old fella saw an opportunity to disarm him without putting the woman in further danger then he was right to take it.

i hope this doesn't mess up tourist relations with costa rica, americans are still quite well-liked over there.

horton wrote:

AmIdYfReAk wrote:
So, No, he will not be charged..

he should have been.

its a little fucked up when people think they can take a life to protect their own property.

he was stealing my car - i shot him
he was on my property - i shot him

a life should be taken when
a. there is no non-fatal action that can be taken
b. there is a clear threat to your own life - if someone mugs you, the safest option is to hand over your shit.

i agree mostly with your stance on these issues, but i do not know if you mean property as in land or property as in house. if someone was breaking into your house while you were home, would you not do everything to protect your family (or your dogs i guess)? i'm not saying shoot him down (i don't like guns for the most part).

oh im sorry mr mugger, sure, here take my wallet and my watch so you can buy some drugs.
fuck that.
scatter his shit to the wind

I don't know if he purposely killed the guy or not. If he felt it was a "them or us" situation then I absolutely stand by the guy. In the heat of the moment, you don't know what the guys with weapons are going to do and you're not even in your own country...I can see him accidentally using more force than was necessary. Seems like the authorities didn't think he did it on purpose either.

I was reminded of the young guy that died when passengers on a plane "restrained" him a bit to vigoursly. I don't believe charges were brought in that case either. (Can't find a link to this one)

Here's one incident http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,150972,00.html

Lee, 48, of New York, stood up in his seat on American's Flight 4 from Los Angeles and "loudly demanded another beer," airline spokesman Tim Smith said.

Note to self: Remember not to loudly demand another beverage on an airplane.

don't fuck with americans

especially the elders

busetibi wrote:oh im sorry mr mugger, sure, here take my wallet and my watch so you can buy some drugs.
fuck that.
scatter his shit to the wind

for once i agree with you

sometimes the force needed to restrain someone can kill them, which i think is what happened here. besides, if there's no risk premium to mugging, it'll happen more often

it's not very likely you kill someone when restraining them. the least that should be done is a thorough investigation, but dropping it altogether? that's insane

bikkeldesnikkel wrote:it's not very likely you kill someone when restraining them.

That's not true at all. It happens all the time.

I posted a link to another case of it (and there's many more if you google it) in my post above this one.