Quake3World

Posted: **Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:10 am**

when I run q3 on an lcd display (2407WFP) I get really bad color banding, even though r_colorbits is 32... is there some trick to getting full color in q3 on an lcd display that I don't know about?

Posted: **Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:19 am**

texturebits also set to 32?

Can you swap the monitor cable directly back onto a CRT? Would help to isolate the issue.

Posted: **Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:27 am**

I just ordered a 2407... it's in the mail.

Double check your cfg files and make sure there isn't any overwriting voodoo going on.

Also check what mode you are using on the monitor. I heard that you shouldn't use the gaming and video modes on it since it causes some colour banding. Use standard mode.

Posted: **Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:00 am**

Yeah my cfg hasn't changed in a long ass time (years and years), I've had all the video quality cvars maxed for quite a while... I never had a banding issue on the crt. As far as the image modes of the monitor itself go I'm just using "desktop mode" which I guess is the default, I don't have it set to gaming mode. I'm not really sure what else could be causing this...

Posted: **Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:24 am**

What happens when you toggle r_overbrightbits? Does dropping r_(color|texture)bits to 16 make a difference?

Posted: **Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:01 pm**

This only happens in quake three: arena? Did you play with lcd timings (there's some extra stuff that you can play with that's not on a crt). Did you try reinstalling the video driver (perhaps to a newer one). Meh I know but...

Posted: **Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:36 am**

What happens if you remove your cfg files and just restart, letting Q3 create a default?

Posted: **Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:04 am**

what res and refresh rate are you trying to push?

Posted: **Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:42 pm**

I'm using nvidia driver version 93.71 which I think is pretty current

I'm running r_mode -1 with r_customwidth 1920 and r_customheight 1200

I'll try letting the cfgs reset back to the defaults later tonight

Posted: **Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:16 am**

yeah I see the same banding with the q3 default confing

this is dumb

Posted: **Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:22 am**

what refresh rate are you trying for the game to run? at that res it can only do 60hz... check to make sure it dosent have an autoexec.cfg in ther, or the nvidia drivers are not trying to push a diffrent refreshrate.

i swear, this is not a quake 3 issue, or a LCD issue, this is a setting that is doing this. i am an (reletivly ) longtime owner of a 2405FPW and a bud or two have a 2407PFW and they dont have these issues.

Posted: **Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:35 am**

My 21" wide screen don't have issues with it.

How about a ss so we can see this banding issue?

Posted: **Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:47 pm**

I have a 20" 4:3 LCD here at work and I see the same thing, here's a screenshot:

I use the same cfg at home and at work, all the visual settings for q3 are maxed, I never noticed the banding until I got lcd displays...

Posted: **Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:46 pm**

Sometimes I see banding in my windowbars and sometimes I don't. If I cared more about it this would be quite the mystery.

Closing the window and then opening it back up usually fixes it.

Posted: **Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:58 pm**

The drivers you have are the new nvidia control panel ones? Can you go in there and setup different res. to match the custom one you are trying to use for q3?

Posted: **Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:55 pm**

yeah I could do that, but that shouldn't matter--the screenshot I took at work is standard 1600x1200, which is r_mode 9, and I see the banding there too

Posted: **Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:47 am**

you still havent answered my question....

And Sorry, what is the issue with that pic?

Posted: **Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:12 am**

it's stuck in 16 bit mode.

no one has mentioned double checking display properties are set to 32 bit.

if it's set to 16, that will override any game setting.

Posted: **Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:34 am**

How about this, Just post your CFG and make it easyer on everyone.

i just tryed with my 2405FPW and dident have a single problem. :/

Posted: **Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:46 am**

my display properties are set to 32 bit of course why would anybody set it to anything less on modern hardware

here's the important stuff from my cfg:

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Posted: **Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:04 am**

Now what the fuck have i been saying this whole fucking time... Jesus...

seta r_displayRefresh "85"

Guess what that means? A DISPLAY REFRESHRATE OF 85HZ! Ohh dear! whats wrong with that?!?! THE 2407 ONLY SUPPORTS 60HZ ( at 1920X1200 )!!!

JEsus man, 8th post down, and this could have been fixed...

well done.

Posted: **Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:48 am**

thanks, I did not think that q3's refresh rate cvar would make a difference if it was above the valid range, I guess I assumed that it would be clamped to the max valid value when it got to the display

r_displayRefresh 60 reduces the color banding though, thanks

Posted: **Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:34 pm**

rgoer wrote:my display properties are set to 32 bit of course why would anybody set it to anything less on modern hardware

i've seen systems set it at 16 bit by default, with modern hardware and lcd's.

Quake3World

quake falling back to 8-bit color on LCD display?

quake falling back to 8-bit color on LCD display?