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Hi fellow nerds,

just out of curiosity: I worked in a web-environment for years by now, starting out with Perl, switching over to PHP, adding some Oracle (blech) object-oriented DB-stuff, web-frontends and shit; for the more "hardcore"-stuff I used C++ and now, guess what?, people go crazy over Java (again).

My question is now: Should I really go Java? Is it still superuseful as it was back in the day (1997)? I dont have a problem learning new things, I find it exciting, but as time goes by, I am wondering - why does it have to be the newest or next-newest fad all the time? Can't we just be productive and work on what we got instead of switching and turning all the time?

Switching around and learning new stuff makes you more versatile. Never messed around with Java though. Can't really say anything about it.

Hey Nerge,
thanks for your comment - You're right, but I always feel like I never get my feet into the "real dirt", so to say.

Take a look at websites like Monsterboard, half of the jobs offered are Java related.

Programming in C++ at my internship/job
Doing some PHP stuff at school

Going to learn Java next year

At work I deal with VB.NET and C# (plus TSQL, HTML, and Javascript if you want to count those). On side projects I use PHP. At my last job I used Java and VB6. At home I play around with everything I can.

I've really only worked with Java, and a bit of C++, however, I think that Java is much smaller, compact, and safer. On the flipside, it is slower and gives you less control.

Safer, yes. It has fewer pitfalls for budding developers to walk into. But more compact? I still cry a little everytime I have to type out each and every method of an interface.

C++, Java, some VB, C#, learning php right now, and idk if JS counts, also I've been attempting to learn linux kernel ASM for a bit now.

Compact as in, garbage collection, no pointers involved, no other extras that aren't as necessary. I may be wrong, though, I don't know that much about C++. Also, (the program I use at least), lets you just hit "implement methods" if an interface is implemented, I don't think you have to type except to write it.

Dean McLean wrote:Compact as in, garbage collection, no pointers involved, no other extras that aren't as necessary. I may be wrong, though, I don't know that much about C++. Also, (the program I use at least), lets you just hit "implement methods" if an interface is implemented, I don't think you have to type except to write it.

Visual Studio can do a lot of code generation but generated code is some of the nastiest stuff you can deal with. Granted, some things aren't so bad but when people use the WYSIWYG editor to configure data adapters and data sets I want to pull out my eyes with a fork.

Pointers are amazing tools when used properly so I tend to get annoyed with languages that put huge road blocks in front of them.

bitWISE wrote:

Dean McLean wrote:Compact as in, garbage collection, no pointers involved, no other extras that aren't as necessary. I may be wrong, though, I don't know that much about C++. Also, (the program I use at least), lets you just hit "implement methods" if an interface is implemented, I don't think you have to type except to write it.

Visual Studio can do a lot of code generation but generated code is some of the nastiest stuff you can deal with. Granted, some things aren't so bad but when people use the WYSIWYG editor to configure data adapters and data sets I want to pull out my eyes with a fork.

Pointers are amazing tools when used properly so I tend to get annoyed with languages that put huge road blocks in front of them.

most ides are packed with refactoring and stub gen short cuts - they mostly dont need instrumentation and the stubs they gen are fine

Hm, well I generally only use generated code to implement method interfaces, I don't like doing it with anything else. Also, I was using JBuilder (have to for school), which doesn't do much generation anyway.

I have been working with C for 7 years and it's the only programming language I really know.

Aha.. i never use those things, i know nothing about it