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Wow... this is something like an audio holideck. Reprogram music recorded live in a way that could make it difficult for the listener to distinguish from the original.

That's cool as fuck.

the "imperfections" of live performances is what makes some of them so great and "original" in its own way.

And?

Just because records have an inimitable quality to them doesn't mean that CDs are useless.

Don't you play guitar? How can you not see the possibilities this would open as a musician - or even as a fan of music?

You could change the mode or scale of an entire symphony in your collection with the flip of a switch.

who said anything about cd's being useless? what?

interesting - i wonder what theoretical obstacles they had to overcome - based on my limited knowledge of such things, I'd imagine they did a fourier analysis to separate out the individual frequencies, and then analyzed them to get the pattern of timbre.

Julios, fuck off.

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:who said anything about cd's being useless? what?

it's an analogy.

the sole use for this software isn't to make live music more "perfect."

ooh, does this mean that cookie-cutter pop girlies will now be able to pretend to play instruments as well as pretending to be able to sing?

R00k wrote:

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:who said anything about cd's being useless? what?

it's an analogy.

the sole use for this software isn't to make live music more "perfect."

i never said 'sole' use. that's just the first thing that came to my mind. struck a nerve did i?

that's a very slick PR video

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:

R00k wrote:
it's an analogy.

the sole use for this software isn't to make live music more "perfect."

i never said 'sole' use. that's just the first thing that came to my mind. struck a nerve did i?

lol, you're the one with the pissed-on wheaties here man.

This seems to be an amazing tool. Speaking as a musically inept person, this opens new possibilities. Where there is no talent playing music, there becomes opportunity to create. Like an old man being able to run and jump. Our physical limitations no longer interfere with our mental abilities. With a library of base notes, chords, and melodies, you can create beautiful music. Possibly what the techno artists wanted, but couldn't accomplish? Not canned, but real music with real instrument sound.

R00k wrote: lol, you're the one with the pissed-on wheaties here man.

no u, etc.

I thought this was going to be about sequencing the dna of jesus.

+JuggerNaut+ wrote:

R00k wrote: lol, you're the one with the pissed-on wheaties here man.

yes me, etc.

Glad we got that cleared up.

My question is....WHY?

Music industry execs/producers may see it as a way of saving on studio time = saving $$$.

In the studio, you can get a take that is perfect except for a bad note or two. Eventually, it will take less time to use something like this to fix it than to try to get more takes from the musician.

[xeno]Julios wrote:interesting - i wonder what theoretical obstacles they had to overcome - based on my limited knowledge of such things, I'd imagine they did a fourier analysis to separate out the individual frequencies, and then analyzed them to get the pattern of timbre.

Proof that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Peenyuh wrote:This seems to be an amazing tool. Speaking as a musically inept person, this opens new possibilities. Where there is no talent playing music, there becomes opportunity to create. Like an old man being able to run and jump. Our physical limitations no longer interfere with our mental abilities. With a library of base notes, chords, and melodies, you can create beautiful music. Possibly what the techno artists wanted, but couldn't accomplish? Not canned, but real music with real instrument sound.

eh...your "ineptitude" shines through brightly here. without basic knowledge in music theory you're still going to be completely fucking lost if you don't know how to properly construct chords, melodies and harmonies. even if you have a "library" of notes, chords, etc. you need to know how to piece them together in a way that makes sense.

i find humor in your poke at "techno" musicians and them not being able to achieve a sound they truly desire. if you actually understood the incredibly complex harmonies, melodies and rythms that go into "techno" music you'd realize on how arrogant your statement is.

anyways, this program looks amazing. the possibilities are huge and i must have it!

[xeno]Julios wrote:interesting - i wonder what theoretical obstacles they had to overcome - based on my limited knowledge of such things, I'd imagine they did a fourier analysis to separate out the individual frequencies, and then analyzed them to get the pattern of timbre.

When you use the term 'limited knowledge' followed by 'fourier analysis' it looks like an attempt at intellectual arrogance.
Not your intention I know, but jus sayin...

pretty neat. I would have said amazing, but I don't want to invite a debate on everything from cold fusion to why the purpose of life is to live a virtuous existence in agreement with nature.

tnf wrote:

[xeno]Julios wrote:interesting - i wonder what theoretical obstacles they had to overcome - based on my limited knowledge of such things, I'd imagine they did a fourier analysis to separate out the individual frequencies, and then analyzed them to get the pattern of timbre.

When you use the term 'limited knowledge' followed by 'fourier analysis' it looks like an attempt at intellectual arrogance.
Not your intention I know, but jus sayin...

why? I know what a fourier analysis is conceptually as it's kinda important for my work in visual cognition. You take a signal and mathematically decompose it into its component frequencies.

I also understand that the individual timbre of an instrument is characterized by a certain pattern of superimposed frequencies.

So if you have a guitar chord, each note of which comprises a set of superimposed frequencies, then you can do a fourier analysis of the signal to get all the individual frequencies, and separate them based on the timbral pattern.

Was hoping to get some discussion on how the software actually does what it does, not get into an intellectual pissing match.