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A documentary where Bill Maher takes a look at the "crazyiness" of religion. It hits theatres October 3rd and probably most torrent sites October 4th.

Judging from the clips in the trailer anyone that doesn't think religion and its rituals are crazy is probably bat-shit looney crazy....and those are just the moderate crazies who aren't as crazy as the rest of them crazies.

Crazy I tell you.

lol religious ppl...

one thing tho the clown make-up bill wears is fucking funny!

Oh, I'll be watching this.

lol @ critisizing religion.

yes no matter how many times you hear it, the sky is blue... problem is relaying the message to the colorblind.

how bout we genocide them?...

don't even get me started on my humanitarian views

looks entertaining, I like bill whenever he isn't talking about the food supply.

Looks like it's bound to be the same sort of retarded, preaching-to-the-converted tripe as Expelled, from what I've seen so far. I hope they can rise above it, but Maher doesn't make me think it's very likely.

Yeah....except one is competely fucking retarded and stuck in the 12th century while the other makes fun of those stuck in the 12th century.

I agree though, it's a counter-punch to movies like "Expelled"....which is a welcome sight in my eyes.

Oh balls. There are plenty of religious people who aren't complete fuckwits. Blaming people like Stein on religion is as stupid as... as blaming Hitler on evolution and atheism, actually.

Religion has plenty of bright spots when it's done right, but the people who do it right are pretty low profile.

I think this movie could further progress what "The God Delusion", "God Is Not Great" and "A Letter To A Christian Nation" started...a serious dialogue about the ramifications of religion on society. Maher is not just talking about religion or its influence in America, but global.

Sorry...but like global warming...it's a conversation that humanity hasn't had in a serious fashion.

Yeah...I know a comedian attempting a serious discussion is kinda crazy (there's that word again) but it's the same thing as back in the days of the kings...only the Court Jester could speak the truth without getting his head chopped off. Comedy can indeed bring down barriers.

Your comment about the religious bright spots being low profile isn't the point. The point is to get those people talking with the rest of us in a manner that doesn't turn the whole thing into a holy war of sorts.

Besides...would it be better to just let things go on as they do without someone saying something?

And nobody's blaming Stein for stupid people...they were there long before his movie came out. All he did was give them fuel.

Besides...with the US election still several months away, there's no telling what kind of craziness (ha!) will come out of the religious sector regarding "evil liberals" in control of the country. This movie could be more accessible than Dawkins, Hitchens or Sam Harris and could take the bite out of some of the crap that we know is coming down the pipe before November.

Turing wrote:Oh balls. There are plenty of religious people who aren't complete fuckwits.
Religion has plenty of bright spots when it's done right, but the people who do it right are pretty low profile.

uh wrong...

dude maher is just relijullus

GONNAFISTYA wrote:Yeah...I know a comedian attempting a serious discussion is kinda crazy (there's that word again) but it's the same thing as back in the days of the kings...only the Court Jester could speak the truth without getting his head chopped off. Comedy can indeed bring down barriers.

Comedians discussing religion isn't crazy...George Carlin is proof of that.

Who are you and what are you doing with my hat?

GONNAFISTYA wrote:I think this movie could further progress what "The God Delusion", "God Is Not Great" and "A Letter To A Christian Nation" started...a serious dialogue about the ramifications of religion on society. Maher is not just talking about religion or its influence in America, but global.

Sorry...but like global warming...it's a conversation that humanity hasn't had in a serious fashion.

Yeah...I know a comedian attempting a serious discussion is kinda crazy (there's that word again) but it's the same thing as back in the days of the kings...only the Court Jester could speak the truth without getting his head chopped off. Comedy can indeed bring down barriers.

Your comment about the religious bright spots being low profile isn't the point. The point is to get those people talking with the rest of us in a manner that doesn't turn the whole thing into a holy war of sorts.

Besides...would it be better to just let things go on as they do without someone saying something?

lol, OH, is that what those were starting? I thought they were starting excuses for group ignorance that's every bit as bad as any religion, or at least that's what I've gotten from talking to people who have swallowed the Dawkins kool-aid. Having flipped through them, I'm pretty confident in saying that they seem much more interested in attacking and tearing down religion than they are about having any rational discussion. The discussion seems to simply center around the idea that religion is, like, bad and stuff.

Which isn't very groundbreaking. It's just being done by scientists with big mouths instead of crackpots with big mouths, so people are listening a bit more.

Turing wrote:I'm pretty confident in saying that they seem much more interested in attacking and tearing down religion than they are about having any rational discussion.

Well, the problem is that you can't really have a rational discussion about irrational beliefs.

At least not with the people who are holding those beliefs.

Except you can. I have had plenty of rational discussion about people's religious beliefs. And without resorting to being the sort of snarling cuntrag that Dawkins tends to be.

Not that I don't respect the man in his field, but him talking about God is about as useless as Einstein doing so.

Religious belief has brought about dreadful things, of course. But it has also brought about many good sides that are completely ignored in "Discussions" like this.

I agree that Dawkins doesn't need to be such a dick about it, but my experiences with trying to discuss religion with religious people are much like bashing my head against the wall.

Every single rational argument sooner or later fall apart when faced with the supernatural/irrational core of religion.

Turing wrote:...Religious belief has brought about dreadful things, of course. But it has also brought about many good sides that are completely ignored in "Discussions" like this.

What would those many good sides be?

Okay, sounds a bit like a troll, so let me save you the trouble;

a) religions bring people together
b) give comfort to those who seek 'Answers'
c) generally preach kindness

Apart from the fact that those bases are pretty well covered by a) other institutions that satisfy the intrinsic human need to belong to something, b) *real* (yes, scientific) efforts to find 'Answers' and c) common decency, that would be good and well, until the devout decide that it would be best for everyone else to share their beliefs.

This need to 'enlighten' can get pretty aggressive, and just begs to be counterbalanced.
Of course, this sometimes results in what some might call 'God-bashing', but by those whose beliefs are strong and rigid, most rational arguments too easily get disqualified as such.

Turing wrote:Oh balls. There are plenty of religious people who aren't complete fuckwits. Blaming people like Stein on religion is as stupid as... as blaming Hitler on evolution and atheism, actually.

Religion has plenty of bright spots when it's done right, but the people who do it right are pretty low profile.

LOL. So blaming a movie advocating religion in schools on religion, is the same as blaming the holocaust on evolution.

That's some stellar logic right there.

It also sounds like you think our dialog on religion was just fine before Dawkins, Dennett and Harris arrived on the scene. Is that correct, or am I misunderstanding you?

Also, have you ever lived in the bible belt?

Plan B wrote:Okay, sounds a bit like a troll, so let me save you the trouble;

a) religions bring people together
b) give comfort to those who seek 'Answers'
c) generally preach kindness

c) is not true at all. And a) and b) are intrinsic to humans, not religion, religion is just the reason given for coming together and providing answers. So it's not religion, but the need people feel to come together and provide/get answers. There are an infinite amount of reasons to get people to come together, of wich religion is one.

Apart from the fact that those bases are pretty well covered by a) other institutions that satisfy the intrinsic human need to belong to something, b) *real* (yes, scientific) efforts to find 'Answers' and c) common decency, that would be good and well, until the devout decide that it would be best for everyone else to share their beliefs.

Ah yes, seems we agree somehwat?

This need to 'enlighten' can get pretty aggressive, and just begs to be counterbalanced.
Of course, this sometimes results in what some might call 'God-bashing', but by those whose beliefs are strong and rigid, most rational arguments too easily get disqualified as such.

Yes, agreed.

Turing wrote:Looks like it's bound to be the same sort of retarded, preaching-to-the-converted tripe as Expelled, from what I've seen so far. I hope they can rise above it, but Maher doesn't make me think it's very likely.

That's quite a statement, the amount of misinformation provided by expelled is enormous, where do you think the misinformation on that scale is going to come from in this movie?

Turing wrote:Religious belief has brought about dreadful things, of course. But it has also brought about many good sides that are completely ignored in "Discussions" like this.

Hm, I don't agree. Talking religious belief on these terms is too broad a perspective. Religious belief can mean practically anything. We're talking religious belief in the presence of contrary evidence and in the abscence of evidence. A well informed/reasoned belief is i.m.o. always better than a belief without evidence/reasoning to back it up.

Dunno...while I realize the need for "rational discussion" regarding religion I'm leaning more and more to the opinion that religions of all kind should be ridiculed, smashed, torn down, whatever...because they don't want to have a rational discussion...because it isn't in their nature to view religion in a rational way.

Yes...it would be nice to have a "good chat"...but I'm pretty sure it'll never happen. Fuck em.

I've pretty much given up discussing anything political with right wing Bush supporters...and it's the same with religious people....especially when we're in the 21st century...not the 9th. I guess mental fatigue and the urge to drop a 10 ton weight on their heads doesn't bode well for "rational discussion" when the rational part of the discussion is completely ignored by irrational people.

In other words...while a truthful, deep conversation is needed...I'd rather just point and laugh at utterly stupid people who are beyond help.

Scratch that....I'd rather drive over them with a truck full of penguins.