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A weapon of Fedor's that's recently come under scrutiny

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:06 am
by [xeno]Julios
For those who don't know Fedor Emelianenko, see his wiki entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedor_Emelianenko

There is a consensus in the MMA community that this man is currently the best heavyweight fighter on the planet.

Many believe he is also the greatest pound for pound fighter, though this title is in contention with Anderson Silva and GSP.

Virtually all believe him to be one of the greatest atheletes in history, and his prowess in combat is matched by his humility.

His professional MMA record is 28 wins and 1 loss, which wasn't actually a loss (legal loophole allowed it to be a recorded as a loss).

His strengths are numerous, but an important one is his comfort and mastery over virtually all elements of unarmed combat. His style is completely unique - it's something he's been consciously experimenting with and developing for many years, and watching it is truly a thing of beauty to the observant mind.


There are elements of Fedor's hand striking which have a very eastern european flavour and are strange to many western fighters. It is an affair which doesn't seem to rely at all on the contraction of the triceps, though he is capable of these sorts of punches when needed. Rather, these punches involve a more laterally generated force, having the rotational core developed from the toes, up through the legs, hips, torso and shoulders. The result is a barrage of pummeling that targets the upper body and head in a devastating fashion.


It may very well have weaknesses if used in exclusion, but Fedor used it most recently in very fucking effective fashion. He literally flies through the air, throwing his whole body into each punch.

Study this gif carefully. It may take a while to load, but it's worth the wait. It's of the opening seconds of his latest fight versus Tim Sylvia, a two time UFC heavyweight champion.



http://koti.tnnet.fi/hiost/affliction/drop_big.gif



Here's what Sylvia, six foot eight, had to say after thefight:

...

"[Emelianenko] hurt me right away and submitted me," Sylvia said. "The guy's a stud. I don't even think he's human."

...

"That guy hits hard," Sylvia said. "I've never been hit that hard before."

...

Decent discussion here:

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f61/fedor ... rl-819118/

very cool CGI demonstration of some of the principles behind punching with your body here:

http://onemansblog.com/2007/08/25/how-t ... out-punch/

Re: A weapon of Fedor's that's recently come under scrutiny

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:14 am
by mjrpes
Scrutiny implies there's some flaw in his 'weapon'... doesn't seem like the right word here. Definitely an amazing stud though.

Re: A weapon of Fedor's that's recently come under scrutiny

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:15 am
by andyman
Ali would out punch him any day.. tyson too (the good tyson).

"WUT ABOUT ON TEH GROUND AN POUND"

punching julie, just punching

Re: A weapon of Fedor's that's recently come under scrutiny

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:25 am
by feedback
You mean, throwing your body weight/core into a punch?! Unheard of!

Fedor's punching is only of interest because he hits in a relaxed-arm eastern European style like many other SAMBO practitioners, including his brother, and Sergei Kharitonov to name a couple. Any good puncher hits with his entire body weight and more when he wants to.

Re: A weapon of Fedor's that's recently come under scrutiny

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:43 am
by [xeno]Julios
feedback wrote:You mean, throwing your body weight/core into a punch?! Unheard of!
No that's not what I meant - putting your body weight into a punch is not something unique to fedor, or eastern european styles - the link at the end of my post demonstrates a "conventional" punch using the whole body principle

What I'm talking about is the style in which he does it, and it's super effective at rapidly targetting the temporal regions of the head behind the guard. Vovchanchyn's another dude who punches similarly. It's a very well developed haymaker attack, and the way fedor flows while using it allows impressive precision and power.

Millions of people viewed it recently in a highly publicized fight which lasted 36 seconds. Fighters are going to be studying just how exactly a man like Tim Sylvia was so efficiently taken off his feet, and this highlight clip is very instructive. It's the sort of thing that might lead to more gyms emulating it.

Re: A weapon of Fedor's that's recently come under scrutiny

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:21 am
by Nightshade
Hey I got $20 says Jules has never been in a fight.

Re: A weapon of Fedor's that's recently come under scrutiny

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:14 pm
by Doombrain
I'll take that bet.

Re: A weapon of Fedor's that's recently come under scrutiny

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:35 pm
by hate
:olo:

i bet.

Re: A weapon of Fedor's that's recently come under scrutiny

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:01 pm
by [xeno]Julios
Nightshade wrote:Hey I got $20 says Jules has never been in a fight.
I fought your mama.

Re: A weapon of Fedor's that's recently come under scrutiny

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:01 pm
by andyman
and lost :olo:

Re: A weapon of Fedor's that's recently come under scrutiny

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:29 pm
by [xeno]Julios
She had a bit of a weight advantage though - I gave up a couple hundred pounds. Oh well, p4p i'm a better fighter than her so I didn't mind losing.

Submission by fat suffocation is not a nice way to go though...

Re: A weapon of Fedor's that's recently come under scrutiny

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:49 pm
by AmIdYfReAk
reading about his punches reminds me of this video..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Anfl9pW1fpA

Re: A weapon of Fedor's that's recently come under scrutiny

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:00 pm
by andyman
AmIdYfReAk wrote:reading about his punches reminds me of this video..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Anfl9pW1fpA
recently his punches have come under scrutiny

Re: A weapon of Fedor's that's recently come under scrutiny

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:04 pm
by tnf
I fought this morning and will probably do it again this afternoon. That's how I roll.

Re: A weapon of Fedor's that's recently come under scrutiny

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:09 pm
by AmIdYfReAk
andyman wrote:
AmIdYfReAk wrote:reading about his punches reminds me of this video..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Anfl9pW1fpA
recently his punches have come under scrutiny

thats funny, so did that kid's.. :)

Re: A weapon of Fedor's that's recently come under scrutiny

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:22 pm
by +JuggerNaut+
AmIdYfReAk wrote:reading about his punches reminds me of this video..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Anfl9pW1fpA
lol, little bitch got flattened.

Re: A weapon of Fedor's that's recently come under scrutiny

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:02 pm
by andyman
AmIdYfReAk wrote:

thats funny, so did that kid's.. :)
:olo: he was destroyed.. the one that took him out was better than all his punches combined :olo:

Re: A weapon of Fedor's that's recently come under scrutiny

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:34 am
by MKJ
never get sick of that one. BAM

Re: A weapon of Fedor's that's recently come under scrutiny

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:31 am
by Fender
Julios just likes his shorts.

Re: A weapon of Fedor's that's recently come under scrutiny

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:31 pm
by LawL
[xeno]Julios wrote:For those who don't know Fedor Emelianenko, see his wiki entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedor_Emelianenko

There is a consensus in the MMA community that this man is currently the best heavyweight fighter on the planet.

Many believe he is also the greatest pound for pound fighter, though this title is in contention with Anderson Silva and GSP.

Virtually all believe him to be one of the greatest atheletes in history, and his prowess in combat is matched by his humility.

His professional MMA record is 28 wins and 1 loss, which wasn't actually a loss (legal loophole allowed it to be a recorded as a loss).

His strengths are numerous, but an important one is his comfort and mastery over virtually all elements of unarmed combat. His style is completely unique - it's something he's been consciously experimenting with and developing for many years, and watching it is truly a thing of beauty to the observant mind.


There are elements of Fedor's hand striking which have a very eastern european flavour and are strange to many western fighters. It is an affair which doesn't seem to rely at all on the contraction of the triceps, though he is capable of these sorts of punches when needed. Rather, these punches involve a more laterally generated force, having the rotational core developed from the toes, up through the legs, hips, torso and shoulders. The result is a barrage of pummeling that targets the upper body and head in a devastating fashion.


It may very well have weaknesses if used in exclusion, but Fedor used it most recently in very fucking effective fashion. He literally flies through the air, throwing his whole body into each punch.

Study this gif carefully. It may take a while to load, but it's worth the wait. It's of the opening seconds of his latest fight versus Tim Sylvia, a two time UFC heavyweight champion.



http://koti.tnnet.fi/hiost/affliction/drop_big.gif



Here's what Sylvia, six foot eight, had to say after thefight:

...

"[Emelianenko] hurt me right away and submitted me," Sylvia said. "The guy's a stud. I don't even think he's human."

...

"That guy hits hard," Sylvia said. "I've never been hit that hard before."

...

Decent discussion here:

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f61/fedor ... rl-819118/

very cool CGI demonstration of some of the principles behind punching with your body here:

http://onemansblog.com/2007/08/25/how-t ... out-punch/
Can someone ban this fucking troll already?

Re: A weapon of Fedor's that's recently come under scrutiny

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:14 pm
by andyman
:olo: it's that first line of his post that kills me... anyone who has read this forum for more than a week has undoubtedly heard of fedor's supernatural achievements :olo:

Re: A weapon of Fedor's that's recently come under scrutiny

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:17 pm
by andyman
Anchor punch! Madness! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPYPZc3vx3U

:olo: ali cracks me up

Re: A weapon of Fedor's that's recently come under scrutiny

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:45 pm
by Nightshade
I got another $20 that says Jules hits like a little bitch.

Re: A weapon of Fedor's that's recently come under scrutiny

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:07 pm
by Dark Metal
Speaking of $20 little bitches, is your wife your ex yet?

Re: A weapon of Fedor's that's recently come under scrutiny

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:43 am
by Nightshade
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