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I have an HP Pentium III computer. It has no HD. I have a 180g SATA. I notice the cable hook up is differant than my usual IDE drives. If I buy a SATA cable, can I hook up this hd... and will it load an OS like the IDE? I really don't know anything about SATA.

No. Square peg, round hole.

SATA are a much newer interface compared to the IDE that your PIII comes with. You could buy a PCI SATA card for the computer for about $20 along with an SATA cable and that should work.

Short answer: no.

More:
Totally different kind of connection and not compatible.

If the computer is capable of booting from a USB drive then the only ways to get the drive working with the PC would be to buy an external SATA caddy, or a SATA expansion card.

Are you guys talking about a scuzzy? Cause I have an old comp that doesn't work.. mobo, I think... and it has a scuzzy card in it. HD to scuzzy to mobo?

No, SCSI is an entirely different type of connection. You would need a SATA-specific expansion card.

can i have IDE and SATA installed on my motherboard at the same time?

Peenyuh wrote:Are you guys talking about a scuzzy? Cause I have an old comp that doesn't work.. mobo, I think... and it has a scuzzy card in it. HD to scuzzy to mobo?

no:

[lvlshot]http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/cooldrives/esata-pci-x-sata-2-card-2.jpg[/lvlshot]

axbaby wrote:can i have IDE and SATA installed on my motherboard at the same time?

yup:

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axbaby wrote:can i have IDE and SATA installed on my motherboard at the same time?

Double yup. I do.

bork[e] wrote:

Peenyuh wrote:Are you guys talking about a scuzzy? Cause I have an old comp that doesn't work.. mobo, I think... and it has a scuzzy card in it. HD to scuzzy to mobo?

no:

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The card I have doesn't look like that. it has IDE hook ups as well as the SATA ones

You can see two SATA connectors on the far right of the card. Some cards will also have an IDE interface bundled with it. Regardless, that's what you'll need. (Edit) Bork[e] posted more or less the same thing except that card also has what looks like an eSATA for external SATA devices.



Here's a picture of IDE, SCSI and SATA:

Also quite likely that your P3 machine wont know what a sata drive is and wont be able to install on it.

corpse wrote:Also quite likely that your P3 machine wont know what a sata drive is and wont be able to install on it.

No, that's why you are using a SATA PCI card. The motherboard just reads signals from the PCI interface. The operating system interprets this as useful data using drivers. As long as the P3 machine is running an OS that the drivers are known to work with, there shouldn't be a problem.

corpse wrote:Also quite likely that your P3 machine wont know what a sata drive is and wont be able to install on it.

*cough* that IS what drivers are for...

I was referring to some motherboards that require you to press F6 upon start to load sata drivers, otherwise motherboard wouldnt recognize the sata drive.

Its not the OS, but the motherboard that recognizes the sata drive.

get your facts straight before you post please.

corpse wrote:I was referring to some motherboards that require you to press F6 upon start to load sata drivers.

The inital blue screen asking to press F6, that would be Windows asking for the SATA drivers so that it knows how to use the disc that it wants to install itself on.

My facts are straight. You are wrong. It is not the os that determines this, it is the motherboard.

I have a p4. 3.0 Ghz with an Asus motherboard [approx 4 years old]. When I install windows XP the system does not recognize my sata drive. I have to put in a floppy at the F6 prompt. THis is the motherboard.

If you have a newer motherboard and install XP you do not have to use the F6 prompt because the motherboard is ready for the sata drives.

On older motherboards when sata was new, the motherboard, not the os, did not know what the sata drive was. The os does not care what drive it is as long as it has a drive to install on.

http://pcsupport.about.com/od/operating ... new1_3.htm

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314859

BTW, when installing Windows XP on my computer, it will ask me to press F6 to install the SATA drivers. On the same computer, installing Ubuntu Linux on the same hard drive, it doesn't bug me about installing any SATA drivers. Does the motherboard miraculously have the SATA drivers when I'm installing Linux but not Windows?

obsidian wrote:http://pcsupport.about.com/od/operating ... new1_3.htm

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314859

BTW, when installing Windows XP on my computer, it will ask me to press F6 to install the SATA drivers. On the same computer, installing Ubuntu Linux on the same hard drive, it doesn't bug me about installing any SATA drivers. Does the motherboard miraculously have the SATA drivers when I'm installing Linux but not Windows?

How do you explain older motherboards that wont install windows xp withoiut using the F6 prompt and newer motherboards that do not need the F6 prompt?

Same OS, different motherboards. Why doesnt XP automatically install the sata drivers on older motherboards...because it is the motherboard that determines it.

Where is Tormentius when you need him. He can verify this.

XP does not have ANY drivers for an SATA controller... THOUGH! Some older Most/all newer motherboards can display/use the harddrive as if it was an IDE based drive so older O/S's ( like XP ) can detect it and use it without loading Drivers..

they started implementing that into the Nforce 2 Chipset on Nvidia's side, i'm not sure when intel started doing it...

here ya go:

Many motherboards offer a "legacy mode" option which makes SATA drives appear to the OS like PATA drives on a standard controller. This eases OS installation by not requiring a specific driver to be loaded during setup but sacrifices support for some features of SATA and generally disables some of the boards' PATA or SATA ports since the standard PATA controller interface only supports 4 drives (often which ports are disabled is configurable).

from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA

So yea, you dont need torm here when you are being presented facts From external sites rather then just word of mouth.

corpse wrote:My facts are straight. You are wrong. It is not the os that determines this, it is the motherboard.

I have a p4. 3.0 Ghz with an Asus motherboard [approx 4 years old]. When I install windows XP the system does not recognize my sata drive. I have to put in a floppy at the F6 prompt. THis is the motherboard.

If you have a newer motherboard and install XP you do not have to use the F6 prompt because the motherboard is ready for the sata drives.

On older motherboards when sata was new, the motherboard, not the os, did not know what the sata drive was. The os does not care what drive it is as long as it has a drive to install on.

once the POST screen, and the IRQ/resource screen is gone, thats the motherboard section of the boot done, Notice how it starts reading the CD that you put into the computer? Notice how it READS from it? once you press any key to start setup, you are loading an app on the computer, a temp O/S to load Another O/S onto the computer, and if that APP Dosnt have drivers for the Controller ( or the drive is not in legacy mode ) then its not going to see it, hence the need for F6 and loading drivers off of your floppy/floptical.

on a less degrading and maby helpfull note for you, check out N-lite, its an app that you can inject drivers for your SATA controller into the windows install, so you wouldnt need to press F6 or have the floppy ready... you can also do an Automated install and other good stuffs.

Heres a link for you:
http://www.nliteos.com/

corpse wrote: Same OS, different motherboards. Why doesnt XP automatically install the sata drivers on older motherboards...because it is the motherboard that determines it.

Where is Tormentius when you need him. He can verify this.

They're right corpse. XP asks for drivers because earlier versions of XP had few SATA drivers present on the install media by default, hence the F6 option. Later versions (SP2 and SP3) included more of these drivers so that pressing F6 was not usually required.

OK, I was told this by a technician at Future Shop.

Why is it that my p4 [approx 4 years old] asks for the F6 prompt when installing XP with Sp2 included?

because the drivers you need aren't on the XP disk.

Find the drivers and slipstream them onto the XP CD, and it'll boot without needing F6.

Sorry to beat this thing to death, but why does the same disk [used for experiment only] install without the need for F6 on a newer computer?

AmIdYfReAk wrote:XP does not have ANY drivers for an SATA controller... THOUGH! Some older Most/all newer motherboards can display/use the harddrive as if it was an IDE based drive so older O/S's ( like XP ) can detect it and use it without loading Drivers..

they started implementing that into the Nforce 2 Chipset on Nvidia's side, i'm not sure when intel started doing it...

here ya go:

Many motherboards offer a "legacy mode" option which makes SATA drives appear to the OS like PATA drives on a standard controller. This eases OS installation by not requiring a specific driver to be loaded during setup but sacrifices support for some features of SATA and generally disables some of the boards' PATA or SATA ports since the standard PATA controller interface only supports 4 drives (often which ports are disabled is configurable).

from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA

Amidy already answered this. Your old mobo doesn't have a legacy mode. Your new one does. The new mobo makes the OS *think* it's installing itself on an IDE device even through it is really a SATA.