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CMS Recommendations?
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:20 pm
by Fender
Very broad search right now. I'm not even sure what technology stack is preferred. More or less just looking to shrink the list of 80 billion CMS systems down to a few candidates that I can evaluate.
Open source and free are preferred, of course.
http://demo.silverstripe.com/
http://www.joomla.org/about-joomla.html
http://drupal.org/
http://plone.org/
Re: CMS Recommendations?
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:36 pm
by Dr_Watson
wtf is CMS?
Re: CMS Recommendations?
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:39 pm
by phantasmagoria
content management system enables you to build web sites and powerful online applications
Just what you never knew you needed.
Re: CMS Recommendations?
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:40 pm
by Fender
Re: CMS Recommendations?
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:48 pm
by shaft
lol, k
Re: CMS Recommendations?
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:12 pm
by Dr_Watson
phantasmagoria wrote:content management system enables you to build web sites and powerful online applications
Just what you never knew you needed.
ahh... like php-nuke
Re: CMS Recommendations?
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 4:14 pm
by 4days
those are all good in their own way (except plone, which i don't remember having seen before).
http://www.typolight.org/ is another one that might be worth a look.
Re: CMS Recommendations?
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 4:36 pm
by Fender
I've got drupal, joomla and silverstripe all running under xampp. I'll play around w/ everything after lunch.
http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html
wamp is another easy option for testing on Windows.
http://www.wampserver.com/en/index.php
Re: CMS Recommendations?
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:22 pm
by MKJ
joomla is an easy target for hacks, i'd avoid it
Re: CMS Recommendations?
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 7:06 pm
by dmmh
nothing works better then your own CMS. If you don't have the time or knowledge/ money, I'd probably go for drupal
Re: CMS Recommendations?
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 7:37 pm
by Fender
Time is probably the biggest factor. American Greetings has a freeze on contractors for this week and next (no good reason) so the company I work for wants me to "redo the website." lulz. I need fast and easy.
Those joomla hacks are a bit scary, but to be fair it looks like they are because of poorly written extensions that don't scrub input. SQL injection ftl.
Re: CMS Recommendations?
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 7:55 pm
by ^misantropia^
What kind of data do you want to put online (plain text, music charts, etc.) and where is that data coming from (database, feed, users, employees)? Some CMSs integrate better with certain data sources than others.
How many page views / unique users do you expect? Not all CMSs are born equal when it comes to scaling.
I think what I'm trying to say is: "What's your use case?"
Re: CMS Recommendations?
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:01 pm
by Fender
Replace this:
http://www.emeraldresourcegroup.com/
With something a little more sexy, but still simple.
Pretty simple. Landing page, contact page, a few other pages, easy to maintain, easy to optimize for search engine hits. Nothing fancy. Honestly, I haven't been given much direction, so I'm more or less just in a research phase today.
Emerald is one of the better, and smaller, consulting companies in north east Ohio. Target market is mostly greater Cleveland and Akron area.
Re: CMS Recommendations?
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:08 pm
by dmmh
then drupal is probably a tad over the top

Re: CMS Recommendations?
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:56 pm
by MKJ
SEO is more userrelated than CMS related; that is, if your CMS is template driven you can optimize it for search as good or as bad as your knowledge allows you to.
Re: CMS Recommendations?
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:04 pm
by Fender
Yeah, I agree. Just some simple manner of managing site wide and page scoped meta data is all I'm really looking for.
joomla has SEO settings, including "Search Engine Friendly URLs."
I still can't figure out how to change the damn logo.

Re: CMS Recommendations?
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:59 pm
by R00k
You guys have blasted right out of my league, but one of the developers I work with sings the praises of Drupal, for what that's worth.

Re: CMS Recommendations?
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 1:36 pm
by ^misantropia^
dmmh wrote:then drupal is probably a tad over the top

Slight overkill, I agree, but it's probably the easiest to use.
However, who is going to maintain this site? If it's someone with at least a basic grasp of how the Web works, static HTML (with perhaps a pinch of PHP for the header/footer/menu) will be easier to setup and maintain than a CMS, with the myriads of configurable settings those things have nowadays.
Added benefit: if the site ever takes off and needs something more enterprise-y, you can charge again for the migration
Re: CMS Recommendations?
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 1:49 pm
by MKJ
you could use js for the navig, and htmlincludes for the head and foot

Re: CMS Recommendations?
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 2:46 pm
by Fender
The site administrator will likely just be the chief officer. He pretty much runs the place from my understanding, but is mostly focused on recruiting and placement. So I can't really assume any sort of technical expertise. WSIWIG editing and templates is probably the way to go.
I'd probably be responsible for getting the CMS fully setup so that he could make changes as he sees fit.
Re: CMS Recommendations?
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 3:37 pm
by dmmh
if you need WYSIWYG text editing,
TinyMCE is definately the way to go. I've implemented it for a client and it rocks.
Implementing their filemanager and imagemanager plugins to the TinyMCE text editor on a PHP platform with a custom session handling class is a fuckin bitch though, so be warned to spend a few weekends on that. But if you don't need either, which is likely, my advise is to stick TinyMCE in any CMS you are gonna use

Re: CMS Recommendations?
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:20 pm
by mjrpes
If you use tinymce be sure to install the paste2 plugin. It removed all the MS Word crap by default when you paste in text:
http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/punbb/view ... =10409&p=7
I also recommend the style plugin; it lets you link in a stylesheet so that what you see in the editor uses the style of your site. It also parses the css stylesheet so you can specify a css class for an element using a convenient dropdown, meaning you don't have to look up the names of css classes. big time saver.
Re: CMS Recommendations?
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:51 pm
by dmmh
it's quite a nifty app
didn't know about the paste2 plugin, don't think I am gonna implement it, looks hellish buggy for the moment
Re: CMS Recommendations?
Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 3:14 am
by Silicone_Milk
I hate Plone with a passion. Worked with that bastard software for a year before we shitcanned it.