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DSL, Bell, Manifistations of dickery?
Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:28 pm
by Therac-25
Now that the migration to a
real isp is complete, I'm wondering what Bell's filtering actually looks like from a user's perspective.
I've got a bunch of advice on how to get around it -- Teksavvy has stuff in place to allow single-line MLPPP, and I have a Linksys I can put MLPPP/Tomato on -- but I'm wondering what I'm supposed to be seeing here. I can saturate my downloads with BT just as easily as I can saturate them with HTTP from easynews, so I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to be angry about right now.
Any idea what I'm supposed to be looking out for?
Re: DSL, Bell, Manifistations of dickery?
Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:03 pm
by obsidian
Try this?
http://www.lifehacker.com.au/tips/2008/ ... fic-2.html
On your router (are you running DD-WRT or Tomato firmware?) make sure your computer has a static DHCP, and that you are forwarding both TCP and UDP ports for your bittorrent client.
I'm having great results running Teksavvy with a Linksys WRT54GL router running Tomato firmware, an Ubuntu box running Deluge BT client.
Re: DSL, Bell, Manifistations of dickery?
Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:14 pm
by AmIdYfReAk
The bell side of the connection ( House

Techsavvy ) is filtered, if you start a BT then it will connect and download at ~25K/sec
When you Get Tomato/MLPPP working/enabled ( you have to call tecksavvy to get them to activate it on your account now )
you will be able to use your full bandwidth For torrents, No restrictions..
As for The static IP and etc, Any of the torrent Clients out there support UPNP, all you need to do is enable it on the router ( its disabled by default ) and it will connect away with no issues.
Also, i'm running a buffalo WHR-HP-G54 with Tomato 1.19-MP2 and its working great, i had issues with 1.21-MP2 ( it was dropping the PPPoE Session )
Good luck!
p.s. there are cases that Bell dosnt have the line filtered, Just a FYI, its is temporary.
Re: DSL, Bell, Manifistations of dickery?
Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:14 pm
by AmIdYfReAk
The bell side of the connection ( House

Techsavvy ) is filtered, if you start a BT then it will connect and download at ~25K/sec
When you Get Tomato/MLPPP working/enabled ( you have to call tecksavvy to get them to activate it on your account now )
you will be able to use your full bandwidth For torrents, No restrictions..
As for The static IP and etc, Any of the torrent Clients out there support UPNP, all you need to do is enable it on the router ( its disabled by default ) and it will connect away with no issues.
Also, i'm running a buffalo WHR-HP-G54 with Tomato 1.19-MP2 and its working great, i had issues with 1.21-MP2 ( it was dropping the PPPoE Session )
Good luck!
p.s. there are cases that Bell dosnt have the line filtered, Just a FYI, its is temporary.
Re: DSL, Bell, Manifistations of dickery?
Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:38 pm
by Therac-25
AmIdYfReAk wrote:The bell side of the connection ( House

Techsavvy ) is filtered, if you start a BT then it will connect and download at ~25K/sec
When you Get Tomato/MLPPP working/enabled ( you have to call tecksavvy to get them to activate it on your account now )
you will be able to use your full bandwidth For torrents, No restrictions..
As for The static IP and etc, Any of the torrent Clients out there support UPNP, all you need to do is enable it on the router ( its disabled by default ) and it will connect away with no issues.
Also, i'm running a buffalo WHR-HP-G54 with Tomato 1.19-MP2 and its working great, i had issues with 1.21-MP2 ( it was dropping the PPPoE Session )
Good luck!
p.s. there are cases that Bell dosnt have the line filtered, Just a FYI, its is temporary.
kk, maybe the filtering hasn't kicked in yet, as I've been getting 100K/s on some torrents.
FYI, you don't need any special permission to do
single-link MLPPP now. SLMLPPP is enabled everywhere now.
Re: DSL, Bell, Manifistations of dickery?
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:08 am
by Therac-25
aaaaand, there it is.
hopefully getting tomato onto a WRT54G v2.2 isn't too painful.
Re: DSL, Bell, Manifistations of dickery?
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:31 am
by AmIdYfReAk
Nope, it isnt man
its really simple, just download it ( 1.19 MP-2 ) flash it on the WRT, Set up the PPPoE settings, upnp, admin password, and you are laughing..
here is a link to download it:
http://fixppp.org/index.php?p=download
you *MAY* want to install regular Tomato first (
http://www.polarcloud.com/tomato ), using the supplied instructions with the files, then Flash to the MLPPP version Afterwords to avoid any issues with the first install..
good luck man!
Re: DSL, Bell, Manifistations of dickery?
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:33 am
by AmIdYfReAk
Also, i would like to add.. i had to call Teksavvy the day before yesterday to get them to enable MLPPP on my account, before that my router would not get connected ( i was forcing MLPPP )
so if you have issues with the MLPPP connecting, give them a call... they'll fix you up.
Re: DSL, Bell, Manifistations of dickery?
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:28 am
by Therac-25
Got it connected and working fine w/MLPPP, it was cake. No permission necessary. That change happened on the 10th, so yeah.
Anyway, I'm just waiting on Teksavvy to chase down Bell and get my line set to a 5M profile (maxing out at 3M right now), but other than that it looks good.
I'm probably going to need to dick around with the QoS stuff in Tomato to make my connection usable for other things while Torrenting, though. I keep an ssh shell to home over a vpn, so I'm gonna need to give openvpn some half decent priority so I can actually use it.
Re: DSL, Bell, Manifistations of dickery?
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:09 am
by AmIdYfReAk
Glad to hear it man!
Alot of the ping issues and etc That has to do with torrenting was due to the Packet filtering and etc. As long as you keep your download capped and upload capped then you shouldn't run into to many issues with remotely connecting.
i usually Cap my up at 70% and my down at 80%, and i am able to connect to my desktops Via remote desktop/vpn with no real lag issues/connectivity issues.. and that is without QoS
anyway, Enjoy it man

Re: DSL, Bell, Manifistations of dickery?
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:23 am
by Therac-25
AmIdYfReAk wrote:Glad to hear it man!
Alot of the ping issues and etc That has to do with torrenting was due to the Packet filtering and etc. As long as you keep your download capped and upload capped then you shouldn't run into to many issues with remotely connecting.
i usually Cap my up at 70% and my down at 80%, and i am able to connect to my desktops Via remote desktop/vpn with no real lag issues/connectivity issues.. and that is without QoS
anyway, Enjoy it man

Yeah, there are a few other reasons as well. A few friends use waste, so I have it running under wine, and kinda want to give that upload priority. Also, to try and give equal time to torrents and news so that things don't time out from usenet downloads. Just discovered that my static ip bought me access to teksavvy's nntp servers (!), which I think I can use to supplement easynews for recent postings, given nzbs and decent enough software.
So many ways to use all the bandwidth... heh
Biggest challenge is finding the drive space to put it all somewhere.
Re: DSL, Bell, Manifistations of dickery?
Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:22 pm
by AmIdYfReAk
Cmon now, At this price? why not Raid-5 em.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6822136150
Re: DSL, Bell, Manifistations of dickery?
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:16 pm
by obsidian
OIC... I suppose Bell wasn't throttling me before, but looks like they started this month. 2-5AM, my torrent speeds went up to normal and slowed down to about 25K any other time of day.
Followed instructions here:
http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/show ... p?t=594003
Really, the only thing I had to do was change my firmware from the stock Tomato to the Tomato MLPPP branch.

Re: DSL, Bell, Manifistations of dickery?
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:17 am
by AmIdYfReAk
Yep, its really easy..
you can do the same Nativity with windows, or any Linux/BSD O/S.
And any of the Linux firmware routers will do it, i'm persionally running it on a Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 ( same hardware as the WRT54GL, just with a nice Bi-AMP on the Wifi antenna ), wile two other friends are Running Asus's as well..
i'm just getting worried that now that its hitting around the internet on sites ( like the one that you posted ) they are going to put the screws to that as well....
Re: DSL, Bell, Manifistations of dickery?
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:43 am
by Therac-25
AmIdYfReAk wrote:Yep, its really easy..
you can do the same Nativity with windows, or any Linux/BSD O/S.
Not currently. Don't know if you've been hanging out on the dslreports forum, but MLPPP is busted in Vista thanks to an MRRU issue (Vista keeps setting it to 1500 when asked for 1492).
The current documented solution over there is to run ZeroShell in VirtualBox to get it going with just Windows.