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.. hangs around for another 20 mins trying to get pictures/videos taken of him. Meanwhile, passers-by mill about nonchalantly. Armed police then show up and shoot him and an accomplice[?].

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-05- ... ich-scene/

The fuck? No one tries to subdue him?

is there an english version of that video?

Nowhere in this topic: "Muslim", "Islam", or "terrorist".

xer0s wrote:The fuck? No one tries to subdue him?

Yea, it's very surreal. I'd guess it's partly because he's hardly behaving the way you'd expect a murderer to behave. Some people may not have realized what he'd done. They may have just thought it was merely a car accident [evidently they knocked over the victim with their car before attacking him with the knives]. There's also the bystander effect.

Surreal/unreal

I am appalled at the way the 'public' wander about these two maniacs after the attack.

Two arrests in Woolwich attack

Two men have been arrested after a man, thought to be a soldier, was killed on the streets of Woolwich in south London in a suspected terror-related attack. The two suspects are under arrest in separate hospitals after they were wounded by officers.

Seem the Police shots didn't kill the culprits.

Nobody tries to subdue him because he had a meat clever and a machete in his hands and was covered in blood and then, according to a witness, pulled out a gun. Hardly a surprise that people who arrived after the solider had been murdered were in no hurry approach the men.

The bloked spouted off about god being great in whatever language it was in "Allah Akbar" and sighted goings on in his country as to why this has happened.

The EDL broke out last night in retaliation to this country being taken over my Muslims and thought the best way to get there point across was to get pissed and attack the police.

All in all lots of deplorable, cuntish behaviour on display yesterday.

My thoughts go to the friends, family and colleagues of the poor bloke who was brutally ans needlessly killed.

Apparently the killer said it was retaliation for the military involvement of the Britain forces in the middle east. An eye for an eye was the statement, because, yes, British forces are beheading people with meat cleavers on a daily basis.

Wow... that's fucking weird.

Wonder if this is going to be a new thing, walking up to random folks after having done something godawful and asking them to film you while you rant in the knowledge that you'll be on youtube in thirty seconds.

Don Carlos wrote:Nobody tries to subdue him because he had a meat clever and a machete in his hands and was covered in blood and then, according to a witness, pulled out a gun. Hardly a surprise that people who arrived after the solider had been murdered were in no hurry approach the men.

This, I would've carried on walking n all, some dude waving around a cleaver covered in blood and a decapitated body. I would be surprised if their was less than a few people ringing the feds or offering witness testimony but direct involvement ?. Fuck that. 20mins is actually pretty good for armed response too (if it was armed response), around here it takes an hour or 2.

This is fucking mental though, the guy who did it obviously felt like he had nothing to lose and my 1st reaction is that they meant to do this premeditated, who the fuck carries a cleaver, knife and possibly a gun ?. I think i kinda assumed that it was some unlucky sod in the wrong place at the wrong time. Guess work, either way it's fucking grim.

And wonder what he means by 'our lands', cunts so cockney it hurts.

EDL can get to fuck n all, if they had their way they'd be doing the exact same but in reverse. You know those fuckers got branches in Cardiff and Swansea ?, no shit. English Defence in fucking Wales

feedback wrote:Nowhere in this topic: "Muslim", "Islam", or "terrorist".

^ everywhere in this post: "fear", "paranoia", and "bloviation".

just because the guy spouted some cockney durka durka bullshit to the camera doesn't make it terrorism

terrorism ™

Good old EBF throwing glass bottles at the police. that will learn islam.

feedback wrote:Nowhere in this topic: "Muslim", "Islam", or "terrorist".

Except for the fact that while he was carrying out his attack, he was reportedly yelling, "Allahu Akbar!" And he's a Londoner citing grievances against "his people." The attack was explicitly religiously motivated. I'm not sure "terrorism" is a legitimate word in the way that most people want it to be, but there most certainly are muslims that have the courage of their convictions and carry out the things their religious texts and imams command of them.

there's no doubt it was an extremist attack. what he's saying is that doesn't qualify as terrorism, it was a hate crime.

it qualifies as cold blooded murder, which is how it should be treated by the law. applying labels like 'terrorist', 'extremist' or 'hate crime' doesn't really add anything useful to that fact

^Sort of this

I wouldn't even call it an extremist attack. Of course, to any civilized person, beheading someone on the streets of London is "extreme." But even among born-and-raised Westerners (edit: --that happen to be muslim--), yes, even in Great Britain, the belief that apostasy from Islam is punishable by death is rampant. Now, that doesn't mean that every one of them that espouses this belief has guts enough to carry it out. But the poll numbers in England on this issue alone are troubling. If asked, I will try to fish for the numbers I'm referencing. Point is, what many of us think of as extreme is pretty mainstream in some sects of Islam, and there are NO branches of Islam where apostasy is not punishable by death, regardless of how finely you have to split hairs about it. Not saying this death was the result of apostasy, directly, but other violent Islamic doctrines, such as jihad, are simply not as fringe as we want to believe. Their book commands it, and a significant portion of them believe it in a very real sense.

Islamic violence is a problem we have to get honest about, and it's troubling that only bigoted conservatives have the guts to be honest about it (though they're right for the wrong reasons).

But since the dude specifically said "they needed to see this", isn't he purposely invoking terror among the public? Is that not terrorism?

...

Charles Manson was a terrorist.

...at least according to the new rules...or sumthin.

JAWS the film also wanted for acts of terror.

xer0s wrote:But since the dude specifically said "they needed to see this", isn't he purposely invoking terror among the public? Is that not terrorism?

One man's "terrorist" is another's "heroic messenger," etc, etc. I might just call him a religiously-motivated murderer.

2 cunts getting shot.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/wo ... eo-1907772
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvddMY7VATg

lol?

Lady cop gets out of car completely unarmed, gets saved by prince charming in the back seat. All the while the second suspect is left aiming the gun at his targets before getting dropped himself.