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Huge nationwide NSA surveillance program leaked
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:40 pm
by -Replicant-
Two big leaks today about massive NSA surveillance of US citizens:
First, it was leaked by the Guardian that the NSA essentially has been watching every Verizon phonecall in the country since April:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat ... s_carousel
Second, it was leaked about two hours ago that the NSA has backdoor taps into Google, Facebook, Microsoft, and a number of other of the biggest data centers in the country:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/investiga ... story.html
Re: Huge nationwide NSA surveillance program leaked
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:43 pm
by SoM
i bet geoff is involved.
Re: Huge nationwide NSA surveillance program leaked
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:36 am
by HM-PuFFNSTuFF
Will the people care?
Re: Huge nationwide NSA surveillance program leaked
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:50 am
by seremtan
the important thing is that the person who leaked this story should be tracked down and prosecuted for aiding the enemy
[/Obama]
Re: Huge nationwide NSA surveillance program leaked
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:06 am
by GONNAFISTYA
Someone is gonna get so droned.
Re: Huge nationwide NSA surveillance program leaked
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:17 am
by HM-PuFFNSTuFF
Shouldn't Obama lose his job over this?
Re: Huge nationwide NSA surveillance program leaked
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:14 am
by Transient
Hey look, yet another aspect of Obama's presidency which is frustratingly similar to Bush's. I really used to like this guy. Then he got into office.
Re: Huge nationwide NSA surveillance program leaked
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:16 am
by Transient
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:Shouldn't Obama lose his job over this?
Technically it's not wiretapping because the metadata the government is retrieving isn't considered eavesdropping on a phone call, according to sneaky lawyers or someshit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgQpfdfMsqs
Re: Huge nationwide NSA surveillance program leaked
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:45 am
by feedback
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:Will the people care?
Nope. The Daily Show will make a couple jokes about it and then people will forget.
Re: Huge nationwide NSA surveillance program leaked
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:34 pm
by seremtan
yeah Jon Stewart has a lot to answer for over this. he's clearly a bad influence on Obama
Re: Huge nationwide NSA surveillance program leaked
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:15 pm
by MKJ
Lol at the companies denying this
Re: Huge nationwide NSA surveillance program leaked
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:17 pm
by scared?
99.999% of this shit will/is being used against non terrorists...
Re: Huge nationwide NSA surveillance program leaked
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:18 pm
by feedback
seremtan wrote:yeah Jon Stewart has a lot to answer for over this. he's clearly a bad influence on Obama
Most americans either get their opinions handed to them by him or some o'reilly clone, so yes it's relevant.
Re: Huge nationwide NSA surveillance program leaked
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:43 pm
by seremtan
feedback wrote:seremtan wrote:yeah Jon Stewart has a lot to answer for over this. he's clearly a bad influence on Obama
Most people get their opinions handed to them
FTFY
Re: Huge nationwide NSA surveillance program leaked
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:32 am
by obsidian
Re: Huge nationwide NSA surveillance program leaked
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:19 am
by losCHUNK
Guessing this is the set up they're using ?
Britain's largest police force is operating covert surveillance technology that can masquerade as a mobile phone network, transmitting a signal that allows authorities to shut off phones remotely, intercept communications and gather data about thousands of users in a targeted area.
The surveillance system has been procured by the Metropolitan police from Leeds-based company Datong plc, which counts the US Secret Service, the Ministry of Defence and regimes in the Middle East among its customers. Strictly classified under government protocol as "Listed X", it can emit a signal over an area of up to an estimated 10 sq km, forcing hundreds of mobile phones per minute to release their unique IMSI and IMEI identity codes, which can be used to track a person's movements in real time...
...The company's systems, showcased at the DSEi arms fair in east London last month, allow authorities to intercept SMS messages and phone calls by secretly duping mobile phones within range into operating on a false network, where they can be subjected to "intelligent denial of service". This function is designed to cut off a phone used as a trigger for an explosive device....
...Between 2004 and 2009 Datong won over $1.6 (£1.03m) in contracts with US government agencies, including the Secret Service, Special Operations Command and the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. In February 2010 the company won a £750,000 order to supply tracking and location technology to the US defence sector. Official records also show Datong entered into contracts worth more than £500,000 with the Ministry of Defence in 2009....
...All covert surveillance is currently regulated under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (Ripa), which states that to intercept communications a warrant must be personally authorised by the home secretary and be both necessary and proportionate. The terms of Ripa allow phone calls and SMS messages to be intercepted in the interests of national security, to prevent and detect serious crime, or to safeguard the UK's economic wellbeing.
Latest figures produced by the government-appointed interception of communications commissioner, Sir Paul Kennedy, show there were 1,682 interception warrants approved by the home secretary in 2010. Public authorities can request other communications data – such as the date, time and location a phone call was made – without the authority of the home secretary. In 2010, 552,550 such requests were made, averaging around 1,500 per day.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/oct/3 ... rveillance
This is still pissing me off >: /
Police share more than 50m records about members of the public
Millions of intelligence reports, routinely gathered and including details of people not charged or convicted, added to database
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/aug/2 ... rds-public
Re: Huge nationwide NSA surveillance program leaked
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:54 am
by seremtan
and yet they still haven't invented pre-crime
Re: Huge nationwide NSA surveillance program leaked
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:39 am
by losCHUNK
Carrying a gun, some rope and a map of your local woods requires a rather sturdy excuse n all
Re: Huge nationwide NSA surveillance program leaked
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:22 am
by -Replicant-
As always, blame the foreigners...and Congress:
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/arc ... ck/276667/
Re: Huge nationwide NSA surveillance program leaked
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:46 am
by Eraser
What strikes me as odd in that article is that it's written like dragnet spying on non US citizens is a-ok.
Re: Huge nationwide NSA surveillance program leaked
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 12:39 pm
by seremtan
typically, constitutional checks on state power tend to be designed to restrain the state in respect of the people within it's territory, not the people outside. which makes sense, because if it were otherwise, it would presuppose that the laws of one country applied to another country, which is an obvious violation of sovereignty
Re: Huge nationwide NSA surveillance program leaked
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:44 pm
by Pext
HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:Shouldn't Obama lose his job over this?
nah... you have to get your dick sucked by someone who is not your wife
Re: Huge nationwide NSA surveillance program leaked
Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:01 pm
by Plan B
seremtan wrote:yeah Jon Stewart has a lot to answer for over this. he's clearly a bad influence on Obama
I always catch the daily show and colbert, and really enjoy them.
However, I would enjoy them even more if they would be as mistrustful of and skeptical about the current administration, as much as they were during the Bush administration.
Although they present themselves as objective pundits, they're still covered with this syruppy coat of compulsive Obama luv they commited to in 2008, and that really has to be shaken loose.
Re: Huge nationwide NSA surveillance program leaked
Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:58 pm
by seremtan
an entirely different perspective from David Simon:
http://davidsimon.com/we-are-shocked-shocked/
i don't think his law enforcement analogy really works though. the WoT is conceived of by the people in charge as a war ("the world is a battlefield") not as law enforcement. different rules
Re: Huge nationwide NSA surveillance program leaked
Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:06 pm
by Plan B
seremtan wrote:an entirely different perspective from David Simon:
http://davidsimon.com/we-are-shocked-shocked/
i don't think his law enforcement analogy really works though. the WoT is conceived of by the people in charge as a war ("the world is a battlefield") not as law enforcement. different rules
Are you new here? You know how it works.
Break it down into refutable sound bytes, yo. Summarize that shit.
