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Hello !
Welcom to this new topic, that comes after two other long running ones, "6dof camera movement" and "looping square map". Both were actually covering the development of a game prototype using idTech 3, or actually the ioQuake 3 version.

First, let me sum up the game : What I want to do, or rather experiment, is transposing the gameplay of Vlambeer's Luftrauser game (the full version, "Luftrausers" should come out before the end of the year, I hope !) into a 3D first person shooter.

What is "Luftrauser" errrr "Air Rippers" ?
- You control a plane, with very simple mechanics : you can look in any direction [DONE], and a button pushes you forward (the "thruster").
When "thrusting", no gravity is applied, or very few, but the "mouse sensitivity" will be lower
When you're not "thrusting", you begin to free fall, with some inertia from your last thrusting direction, but the "mouse sensitivity" will be higher, so aiming at the enemies can be easier.

When your health goes under 0, your ship enters "kamikaze" mode, and with minimal air control you can try to crash in an enemy ship with extra damage.

Mouse-only game : move the mouse to look, left click to shoot, right click to "thrust" forward.

- The environment looks infinite, but actually loops [DONE]

- 2 categories of enemies : Planes and boats. They cruise towards you and shoot at you. Sub categories can be added : kamikaze jets, bombers, destroyers, aircraft carriers, whatever.

The final objective is to build a standalone game that looks finished

In this topic, I'll try to share my progress along the way

Right now, I'll be trying to create the player movement according to the plan. I already did a quick thing that turns on the "fly" powerup when you press "forwards", but the air control isn't really there.

I'm adding 2 new "Player Move" types : PM_PLANE and PM_KAMIKAZE. I think I'll base myself on the "spectator" mechanics ... I have to study a lot

I have a sound related question : I noticed some "start looping sound" and "stop looping sound" functions, and I'd like to play the rocket flying sound when the player is flying. How and where in the code should I do that ? in the client module, the game module, or the client game module ?

Thanks for reading !

You might want to take a look at the target_speaker entity (g_target.c). They can play looping sounds. There’s a bug in Q3 that prevents them from being toggled off though. To fix that in EntityPlus, I made the following change in cg_ents.c in the CG_EntityEffects( centity_t *cent ) function.

The original code is:
And I added an else to that:
Can’t wait to see what you’re coming up with by the way. Sounds like an interesting mod!

Yeah, it looks good.

Just a note about lowering the sensitivity when it's thrusting, why? If it's to make the plane turning slower when it moves forward, it is not necessary. In the game the plane always turns around itself with the same speed, what happens is that when it's moving forward it makes a circle because of the forward speed and when it's in free fall it just turns around itself (or making a little circle, because of the low speed). I wouldn't change the sensitivity, I would just limit the turning speed.

Thanks to both of you for replying !

UglyFoot wrote: I wouldn't change the sensitivity, I would just limit the turning speed.

In baseQ3, there is no such thing as "turning speed", the mouse movements are directly converted in view angles, only multiplied by sensitivity and mouse acceleration factor. For the moment, dividing by 2 the mouse sensitivity will do the trick, since I really don't know how to implement a "max turning speed" system

Right now I'm still stuck with my player movement, I'm still studying the code, but it's more tough than it seems >< I think I've nailed down the logic, though

Ok, I said that to avoid that someone with a high sensitivity could be able to do turns of 180º in little time.

I'm not sure if it's possible to limit turning speed but I have a simple idea about how it could be done: Just measuring the time between two changes of viewangles and for each axis apply the formula (delta angle) / (delta time). If the result is greater than x then you limit it to x and you get the new angle like if turning speed were x.

Ok, I think I nailed down the player "physics" (well, acceleration and falling). I'm still struggling to add the rocket sound when the player is thrusting ! I understand how it works, it seems I have a sound that starts, but it doesn't play more than one frame or something like that. It's very strange

Here's how I'm doing it. In bg_pmove.c, I have a qboolean called "pm_thrusting". And here's what the console says when I play :


You'll notice that the "thrustSound Starting" and "ThrustSound stopped" texts are appearing twice everytime ! How is that possible ? Is this phaenomenon the cause of my problem ?

The list of looping sounds is cleared at the start of every frame, take a look at CG_DrawActiveFrame.

Great ! Thanks a lot ! So you have to add "addLoopingSound" at everyframe to make it work ! Things are so much easier when you have somebody to explain them for you

Now I have the basic rocket sound playing when the player flies

The game sounds like fun.
I see a very zen style of game.
Something like Flower http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower_(video_game) with a combat element in it...
Do you think there will be the abillity to build maps for this mod?
Or will it be some sort of infinite obstacle/surface-type generator?

Anyway it sounds really cool.

Takkie wrote:The game sounds like fun.
I see a very zen style of game.
Something like Flower http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower_(video_game) with a combat element in it...

I was thinking of a "basic" hardcore shooter with arcade and visceral sensations ... And even if I enjoy a lot Zen games (Proteus is very nice), I don't really know how I can connect the concept of "shooting things" to it ^^ That project is also an occasion for me to discover and learn how to make games with idTech 3, and boost up my coding skills.
Thanks for the Idea !

Takkie wrote:Do you think there will be the abillity to build maps for this mod?
Or will it be some sort of infinite obstacle/surface-type generator?

At the moment, the map is a single square gaming zone with special triggers on each side that make it feel like it's infinite (look at my "looping square map" topic ). I plan on making the enemies spawn randomly outside of a giver radius around the player. I haven't started working on the enemies for the moment, so the actual size of the map is temporary. The enemies would be planes and boats, like in Luftrauser, with different varieties, and maybe some sorts of oil platforms with multiple turrets ? I have a lot of images in my head, but at the moment, I don't even know if the base gameplay I'm planning can work in first person I have to work this out first (and it's very slow because I'm a noob).

Takkie wrote:Anyway it sounds really cool.

Thanks !

So, now that I have some basic movement, I'll be adding the ocean brush / trigger, that damages the player if he touches, and at the same time makes it bounce proportionnally to the speed he was hitting it, like some sort of ricochet

The enemy planes should come right after !

D-Meat wrote:I don't even know if the base gameplay I'm planning can work in first person I have to work this out first

If it becomes hard to see the other planes or boats you may use the middle mouse button to see what is behind, with a high fov and this you would see almost everything.

UglyFoot wrote:

D-Meat wrote:I don't even know if the base gameplay I'm planning can work in first person I have to work this out first

If it becomes hard to see the other planes or boats you may use the middle mouse button to see what is behind, with a high fov and this you would see almost everything.

Thats a good idea ! in Descent / Forsaken, there was a "backmirror" camera on the top left of the screen that let you check what's going on behind

New Video !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nOp1JKbiSE

As you can see, there are some ammo boxes popping. This is bad. I have to modify my looping square map alorithm again

Sorry for the sound, I swear it works really well ingame ! I see what's going on : at each recorded frame by the demo, the sound starts. And when plaing the demo, that's what happens ! The normal rocket sound works fine though.

Next objectives : Make the player's bounding box into a cube, make the player model be a plane oriented in the exact angles of the camera. Repair the things I just talked about.

Next step : Adding enemy planes !

Maybe after that : adding a new "deformVertexes" keyword in order to deform the ocean nicely. DeforVertexes wave and Bulge aren't good enough for me ^^

Good, it's taking shape. If you get stuck with the popping items I suggest you to try my function, I think it's the simplest way to do it.

The throttle audio doesn't appear to loop properly. Is that a problem with the audio sample?

Dear UglyFoot,
I'm trying to fix definitively the "looping map" effect. Therefore, I'd like to try again to Duplicate my entities that need to be "looped".

Here's the code you've suggested in the "looping square map" topic :

UglyFoot wrote:

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#define   SIDE_LEN 512

void CG_DuplicateEntity(centity_t *cent, void (* func)(centity_t*)) {
   int            i;
   vec3_t         initial_origin;
   vec3_t         trans_vecs[9];
   VectorSet(trans_vecs[0], 0, 0, 0);
   VectorSet(trans_vecs[1], SIDE_LEN, 0, 0);
   VectorSet(trans_vecs[2], SIDE_LEN, SIDE_LEN, 0);
   VectorSet(trans_vecs[3], 0, SIDE_LEN, 0);
   VectorSet(trans_vecs[4], -SIDE_LEN, SIDE_LEN, 0);
   VectorSet(trans_vecs[5], -SIDE_LEN, 0, 0);
   VectorSet(trans_vecs[6], -SIDE_LEN, -SIDE_LEN, 0);
   VectorSet(trans_vecs[7], 0, -SIDE_LEN, 0);
   VectorSet(trans_vecs[8], SIDE_LEN, -SIDE_LEN, 0);

   VectorCopy(cent->lerpOrigin, initial_origin);

   for(i=0; i<9; i++) {
      VectorAdd(cent->lerpOrigin, trans_vecs[i], cent->lerpOrigin);
      func(cent);
      VectorCopy(initial_origin, cent->lerpOrigin);
   }
}

Everything makes sense for me, except this : This function is actually supposed to do the wanted "duplication" or adding an entity instance to the renderlist. Do you have any info (clues will do) on how to do that ?

Also, I'm not quite sure to understand what is going on here : You add a void function as a parameter, but I don't see the point, I could declare it right before if I wanted, couldn't I ?

Thanks by advance !

The func function could be any of the functions used to add an entity to the renderlist. That's why it's passed as a parameter. For example it could be CG_Item, in CG_AddCEntity you have to replace with

Aaaaah I get it
I'll try that, Thanks a lot !

BY FUCKING ODIN ! Man, UglyFoot,you're a genius. I'm sure it's actually John Carmack behind this nickname.

So, now I have a all situation working effect for my looping map effect. The only thing I'm worried about is the overfilling of the entity render list, actually limited to 1024. Well, I'll see when it crashes

Now, I'm moving on to the next step

Haha, I'm glad it worked

Hi there !

So, I've started working on the player model code, here's what I'm doing :

I've added a new fils : cg_PlanePlayers.c, and it will replace cg_players.c.

I also had the choice of either directly modifying cg_players.c or creating a md3 model of my plane that coud be compatible with the legs-torso-head system of quake 3.

I think I chose the simplest solution, and the one with which I'll learn the most things

I'm planning on modelling a simple test plane, with a normal map, and export it as md5 so I can test out the md5 support of ioQuake3.

The IQM format is also interresting, but it might be less supported than md5 ... Anybody here worked on that subject ?

Oh hi, here's some news !

Having a new system for the player model looks quite easy, I now have a good base on which I can add more features later.

But I'm having an ioQuake3 related problem :

I took this part as an opportunity to try out the IQM model format and some graphical features of ioquake3.

While I now can draw correctly an IQM model, I can't get the normal mapping to work on it. But it works well on md3 models !

Has anyone tried out that stuff before ?

No idea, It might help asking in the LEM forum.

Well, I solved the problem by switching to a more recent version of the new render engine of ioQuake3. Time to move on !

News !

I'm currently trying to add enemies in the game I'm starting with enemy planes.

What do the enemy planes do ?
they fly around, towards a player, shoot out a few bullets from time to time.
they can collide with players, causing damage.

Here's my plan :
I want my planes to be game entities managed by the server side.
I'm basing myself on the rockets code for the moment. The stuff is quite tough to go through, and I'm actually struggling to make a console command that shoots out a rocket from a given point - the way the "gentity_t *fire_rocket" function works is quite mysteriously, at the moment, no rocket appears when I use it in a cmd.

I have some tutorials that might help with some later things, like making the enemy plane follo the player, making it shoot plasma balls should be easy (I hope) ... But that first "setup" step is quite hard.

Second question, is it possible in quake 3 to use a mesh for collision for entities ?