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Can you build a better PC (no case/no floppy) for under $750.00? If not, what do you think of this one? The only stipulations are that it must be PCI Express and have a DVD burner.

MSI K8N Neo4-F $88.00
AMD 64 3200+ venice core 939 $190.00
1 gig 512x2 PC3200 Corsair 2.5ms $89.50
Leadtek 6800 PCIE 256 $213.00
80 gig SATA Westen Digital $53.00
Aspire 500 watt PSU $55.00
Pioneer DVR110 $49.99

Total: $738.49

Anyone else here ever use an Aspire PSU? What do you think?

Why must it be PCI-E?

The extra 4FPS worth the $213 extra for SLi?

Edit: You can't go wrong with MSI. My Opteron workstation is MSI and the new AthlonX2 system I'm building is MSI.

rep wrote:Why must it be PCI-E?

The extra 4FPS worth the $213 extra for SLi?

Edit: You can't go wrong with MSI. My Opteron workstation is MSI and the new AthlonX2 system I'm building is MSI.

It's the future, join us.

Kills On Site wrote:Well PCI-E has more expandability and future proof then AGP

funny I heard the same thing about slot 1 and 370 might not be the same thing but my point still stands


future proof


NO


best just now


Yes

[FTF]Pyro wrote:

Kills On Site wrote:Well PCI-E has more expandability and future proof then AGP

funny I heard the same thing about slot 1 and 370 might not be the same thing but my point still stands


future proof


NO


best just now


Yes

read all what i said, I said PCI-E was MORE expandable and future proof then AGP. Not that it was completely future proof, but I'd be willing to bet it is definatly more future proof then AGP.

Kills On Site wrote:
read all what i said, I said PCI-E was MORE expandable and future proof then AGP. Not that it was completely future proof, but I'd be willing to bet it is definatly more future proof then AGP.

dude I said the same thing when PCI came out and it still took 10 15 years to get rid of ISA


Once technology has been embedded it doesnt go away for a VERY long time..... decades in fact. AGP will be around for a LONG time.

dont get me wrong I dont think your wrong in saying what your saying but I bet any machine breaks down before the need /you are forced to upgrade from AGP to PCI-e

Why such a small hard drive..?

[FTF]Pyro wrote:
AGP will be around for a LONG time.

I don't think AGP will be around for a long time, at least for higher end cards. My guess is a year or two.

Dr.Gibbs wrote:Why such a small hard drive..?

80 gigs to start of aint that bad

maximum needed for vista will be around 4gigs leaving 70 gigs (including wastage and swap)


70 gigs is quite a lot if you only play a couple of games and download and save to cd dvd


you dont "really" need any larger than that and for around 750 dollars I dare to say you couldnt get really any better than that



although I did just build a system



amd sempron 2600+
512 meg
3d surround sound dolby 5.1
ATI generic PCI graphics card 7600
80 gig drive
DVD writer
Asus mobo


for 280 dollars



suits my needs albeit I cant run games just now.... well anything that requires dx9.0 since the graphics card only supports up to 7.0

mjrpes wrote:

[FTF]Pyro wrote:
AGP will be around for a LONG time.

I don't think AGP will be around for a long time, at least for higher end cards. My guess is a year or two.

My guess will be two generations of mobo's and cpu's


or around 5 - 10 years, I really cant see intel or any other chipset manufacturer dropping a standard such as agp within the mobo's and as such I really cant see graphics card companies dropping it either

They might not drop it all together, but it wont get the best cards, at least not for awhile.

The two latest cards nVidia released aren't for AGP and don't have a release date known for AGP (7800 GT & GTX).

[FTF]Pyro wrote:

mjrpes wrote:

[FTF]Pyro wrote:
AGP will be around for a LONG time.

I don't think AGP will be around for a long time, at least for higher end cards. My guess is a year or two.

My guess will be two generations of mobo's and cpu's


or around 5 - 10 years, I really cant see intel or any other chipset manufacturer dropping a standard such as agp within the mobo's and as such I really cant see graphics card companies dropping it either

I don't doubt that AGP will still be on backwards compatible mobos for the foreseeable future, but I do doubt that mid to high end level graphics cards two years from now will still come with both an AGP/PCI-E option. The reasoning is that a high end card two years from now will work best only on a relatively new CPU and mobo (within the last 2-3 years), so that people who buy a high end card will most likely have a PCI-E compatible mobo to go with it already. Since its customer base will at that point be buying mainly PCI-E anyway, graphics card companies will see less and less financial reason to put in the resources to continue selling an AGP version.

Dr.Gibbs wrote:Why such a small hard drive..?

It's going to be my 4 year old son's computer and sort of a back-up for me. He doesn't d/l a whole lot of porn off the internet right now, so the 80 gig should hold 'm.

Kills On Site wrote:Well PCI-E has more expandability and future proof then AGP. Not to mention that according to newegg there are no AGP 6800s with 256MB of memory. Don't forget that the best 939 chipsets have PCI-E and not AGP.

As for the Aspire PSU, I have never used one and never intend to. I stick with Antec, Enermax or Thermaltake for my PSUs. I really only want quality I can trust when it comes to PSUs, because they can take a whole system down if they fuck up

I've only used Antec, that's why I asked.

YourGrandpa wrote:Can you build a better PC (no case/no floppy) for under $750.00? If not, what do you think of this one? The only stipulations are that it must be PCI Express and have a DVD burner.

MSI K8N Neo4-F $88.00
AMD 64 3200+ venice core 939 $190.00
1 gig 512x2 PC3200 Corsair 2.5ms $89.50
Leadtek 6800 PCIE 256 $213.00
80 gig SATA Westen Digital $53.00
Aspire 500 watt PSU $55.00
Pioneer DVR110 $49.99

Total: $738.49



Anyone else here ever use an Aspire PSU? What do you think?

Where you get these prices.. ?

Good system Gramps

Kills On Site wrote:Well PCI-E has more expandability and future proof

Thanks, Mr. Wizard. I suppose I'll be glad I bought a PCI-E board now, when in five years I'll be upgrading to a 128-bit 32X PCI-E videocard that if it even ran on the current boards it would run slowly.

Dek wrote:

YourGrandpa wrote:Can you build a better PC (no case/no floppy) for under $750.00? If not, what do you think of this one? The only stipulations are that it must be PCI Express and have a DVD burner.

MSI K8N Neo4-F $88.00
AMD 64 3200+ venice core 939 $190.00
1 gig 512x2 PC3200 Corsair 2.5ms $89.50
Leadtek 6800 PCIE 256 $213.00
80 gig SATA Westen Digital $53.00
Aspire 500 watt PSU $55.00
Pioneer DVR110 $49.99

Total: $738.49



Anyone else here ever use an Aspire PSU? What do you think?

Where you get these prices.. ?

Newegg..

Don Carlos wrote:Good system Gramps

Thanks..

got a part number on that mem? I can't find it that cheap..

Dek wrote:got a part number on that mem? I can't find it that cheap..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820145440

Kills On Site wrote:Not to mention that according to newegg there are no AGP 6800s with 256MB of memory.

Don't tell that to the one in my computer.

AMD =>> Vomit

I'm back to Intel at last and things have never been so silky smooth.... plus my current Intel rig will knock the socks off a FX55