Damn Right

[GONNAFISTYA]

I don't want to sound like I'm picking on you here, because I'm not, but I think it's more of the case why you don't understand that it's NOT important.

Whether the guy is a psycho or not doesn't qualify or justify his actions.

Really, it's worth pointing out that the only one who ignored the simple explanation presented in the original story was you. You were the only one holding on to the "psycho" angle in the first place, so if this teaches anyone anything, it should be that perhaps you aren't quite the moral arbiter and bastion of righteousness that you think you are.

What colour is the sky on your planet?

[0psys]

Hmm, or you could just say "Yeah, kind of had it wrong right form the very beginning", and be done with it.

It's not like the world will end.

[GONNAFISTYA]

lol...suddenly you want a conversation where we actually discuss each other's points...something that you have been utterly unable to do in the previous four pages. Only on your planet would you actually even think you just made a point.

I could actually rebut your point, but it'd be a waste of time.

[seremtan]

there's not really enough info the article to draw any conclusions.

and then when there was, it was the 'wrong' conclusion for some people

[0psys]

No, you'd rebut my point, except it's a good point and there's not really any way to rebut it, given that your first post in this topic is calling the guy a psycho.

I think it's a big stretch to say I haven't made an attempt to discuss this topic. Sure, I digressed to momentarily point out your flaws as a human, and you, similarly, digressed to have a bit of a meltdown, but I think we both found our way back to the original topic.

But I don't actually want a conversation, because I was just pointing out that perhaps you should just try and be a bit more humble in future, instead of pretending that you have all the answers, that you're smarter than everyone else, and that anyone who disagrees is a moron.

It's a bit of an eye-roll moment when someone reads your posts and sees you asserting things so strongly, when you don't really have anything other than an opinion.

I hope that makes sense.

Now call me a moron, or in some way infer that I just "don't get it", or whatever...

[Nightshade]

WTF? Now you're completely ignoring everyone's point: nobody here is saying violence isn't sometimes necessary and yes, sometimes it's deserved. What you seem to gleefully ignore is the point at which the violence becomes excessive. I'd hazard a guess that probably 100% of the world's population would agree that, unless death is the intended result, that beating someone close to death is acceptable given the right circumstances.

And I'm sorry...but ffs...the example quoted above from U4EA is utterly retarded. Why? Because I'd guess that the single sociopath with a knife would eventually run into someone like me: someone who doesn't think violence is the first and only response, but will not shy away from violence if pressed. I've clearly stated in the past my beliefs that if someone fully intends to kill you and there's no reasoning with them, then violence to the point of their death is acceptable. Beating someone to death in a fit of rage is not.

You talk about "living in a world that really, REALLY wants to believe that it's civilized, but it's not" and then you point out the fact that you'd love to punch the douche in the assholish t-shirt but don't. I'm sorry, but ffs man...that's exactly what "civilized" means: having violent impulses - because we are animals - but not always acting on them. Nobody is that fucking stupid as to deny humanity's origins and violent tendancies. The ones that DO act on them have something called "antisocial personality disorder" and tend to be uncivilized pretty much every day. You know full-well as anyone here that nearly all laws in every aspect try to mitigate the damage done by psychopaths, to varying success. But if you think that western culture is uncivilized and is not even trying to be then you haven't seen what being uncivilzed means.

And seriously...be anti-government, pro-violence (in the right circumstances) and pro-gun all you want (aim at targets and not people) but if you join a militia and practice shooting FBI agents in the bush then you're probably a fucking nutter. And because I'm sure you aren't a fucking idiot I'm confident you already know this.

So, as has already been pointed out, you don't know what pacifist means. Further, I think that the debate (at least at the time you posted this comment) is that we have different opinions on what "excessive violence" means.

Also, you make my point for me perfectly. Your statement about "violence to the point of death is acceptable" is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. A truly civilized society would NEVER, IMO, see that violence of that order was acceptable. So, you trumpet your morals and look down on me and others that share my view for being to eager jump to seriously violent acts, but then what? You turn around and say, in essence, that you'd do the EXACT SAME THING, just for slightly different (and IMO less justifiable) reasons.

Aside from that, you're generalizing a great deal about my take on acting on violent impulses and taking my grocery store example out of context. I'm addressing a very specific set of extreme circumstances, not everyday behavior, so your response there is pretty much irrelevant.

When did I say anything about joining a militia or any of that? FFS, you're just babbling.

[Nightshade]

Nightshade and sys0p are even slower than LawL. I'll say it plainly here: I do have a daughter, so in your views I should be fully qualitfied to talk.

However, I do take offense in the notion that simply because I wouldn't beat a man to death it would automatically mean I do not love my daughter.

I think I'm done discussing this subject with retards like Nightshade and sys0p. Lets just hope you never suspect anyone of harassing your kids, because the poor sod may just end up dead without having laid a finger on anyone.

My comment was directed at Memphis and his lack of children, that was pretty clear. So it seems that perhaps you're the one that's a bit slow on the uptake here.

I'm a retard now because you take offense to my assessment of your (lack of) parental instincts? Oh well, the truth can be painful, I suppose. If your first reaction to the situation I described isn't swift and blinding violence towards the perpetrator (whether it's fatal or not), well then the fact of the matter is that you're not "evolved" or "sophisticated", you're a fucking pussy.

[Nightshade]

So apparently that father was right and now there's one less kiddy-fiddling slimebag on the planet. *rejoices* \o/

[GONNAFISTYA]

So, as has already been pointed out, you don't know what pacifist means. Further, I think that the debate (at least at the time you posted this comment) is that we have different opinions on what "excessive violence" means.

Also, you make my point for me perfectly. Your statement about "violence to the point of death is acceptable" is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. A truly civilized society would NEVER, IMO, see that violence of that order was acceptable. So, you trumpet your morals and look down on me and others that share my view for being to eager jump to seriously violent acts, but then what? You turn around and say, in essence, that you'd do the EXACT SAME THING, just for slightly different (and IMO less justifiable) reasons.

Shithead I already explained to you why I felt you were going over the top with your arguments. And yeah...I do think people who are "eager jump to seriously violent acts" without knowing any of the facts are indeed fucked in the head and are part of the reason you think civilization is going into the shitter. You say society is uncivilized and then cheer when it's not. Who exactly are you supporting here?

Yeah...the guy diddled a little girl. We know what happened now and the asshole deserved his death. The difference between our approaches is that I decided to wait until I knew what happened before cheering a beating death. I didn't do it by default. What part of this are you not understanding?

When did I say anything about joining a militia or any of that? FFS, you're just babbling.

Dude...I was joking. I said if you were thinking of joining a militia, etc, etc. Whatever, now you're just being an dick.

[GONNAFISTYA]

No, you'd rebut my point, except it's a good point and there's not really any way to rebut it, given that your first post in this topic is calling the guy a psycho.

Yes you're right, my first post in this thread was calling the guy a psycho. Wait...no I didn't, I said anyone who kills someone has a "good chance" of being a psycho. Obviously the guy in this case wasn't. But nice try running with it.

Besides I think I was just mainly calling you a psycho.

You really don't want to accept the fact that what I've consistently said this entire discussion is that I think some people should be put to death, but don't want vigilantism to be the default response on every street corner in the world, because that wouldn't be what a civilized society does. I actually believe that this is what the courts and the justice systems are for and I don't believe that "street justice" is the way to go. I also railed against psychos who'll use this as an opportunity to justify their fucked-up approach to society...which is exactly what happened.

The father in this situation isn't a psycho, and they wouldn't have let him go if he was. But you'll ignore that.

[losCHUNK]

Lol, hardly a victory worth dancing about ?, the paedo could have been innocent and no doubt there'd be posts going 'well he had the paedo smile'

[xer0s]

Semerican has a pedo smile, but I don't wish his death...

[losCHUNK]

I do

[Dark Metal]

Considering recent use of polls (no pedo pun intended) I'm really considering disabling them.

[U4EA]

Considering recent use of polls (no pedo pun intended) I'm really considering disabling them.

You should create a poll and let the people vote whether to disable it or not!

[Tsakali]

and then add a random option at the end that completely undermines the entire poll.

[Dark Metal]

Interesting...

[mrd]

Just disable them, they're fucking dumb.

[MKJ]

disable them for SoM.

[Captain]

Disable SoM.

[MKJ]

f1

[Nightshade]

Shithead I already explained to you why I felt you were going over the top with your arguments. And yeah...I do think people who are "eager jump to seriously violent acts" without knowing any of the facts are indeed fucked in the head and are part of the reason you think civilization is going into the shitter. You say society is uncivilized and then cheer when it's not. Who exactly are you supporting here?

Yeah...the guy diddled a little girl. We know what happened now and the asshole deserved his death. The difference between our approaches is that I decided to wait until I knew what happened before cheering a beating death. I didn't do it by default. What part of this are you not understanding?

OK fatty, calm down before you have a stroke. Since you seem to be short of reading comprehension and more than a bit hard of thinking, I'll clarify: I did not cheer the fact that society was uncivilized, I cheered the fact that a fucking pedophile scumbag got what he deserved. You waited until you knew what happened? Gee, so did the guy that beat his daughter's molester to death.

And I'm sorry, but where exactly in this thread do I jump on the bandwagon supporting this specific individual's actions? Umm, hmm...oh that's right! NOWHERE. Because I didn't. I mentioned a very specific example and that's what I've been discussing, not this guy in particular. So, what part of this are YOU not understanding.

Nice job ignoring the other points I made that you clearly couldn't refute, by the way. Care to address any of those, you hippocrite? Yes, before you have a pedantic shitfit, that's intentionally misspelled.

[MKJ]

hippocrite

[Nightshade]

I said if you were thinking of joining a militia, etc, etc.

The fuck you did.

but if you join a militia and practice shooting FBI agents in the bush then you're probably a fucking nutter.

Put down the bong, dummy.

[GONNAFISTYA]

The very next sentence I walked it back.

You've gone into crazyville.