[BETA] 13zone "The Dark Zone - RMX"

Post by **sst13** » Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:05 am

The Dark Zone - RMX

Again it's remake/remix time, and I got my hands on DM6. :q1:
The map is atm only a gameplay test version. So don't mind missing details and the color coded lighting. I think I'll stay with the texture set, but add some brick elements to catch more of the original vibe.

The teleporter in the main room now sits in a center pit. The LG can be accessed by strafing down or from a secret teleporter:
[lvlshot]http://sst13.net/pics/13zone2.jpg[/lvlshot]

I replaced the stairs in the RA room with a jumppad:
[lvlshot]http://sst13.net/pics/13zone3.jpg[/lvlshot]

The former MH room also got a new JP up to a ledge:
[lvlshot]http://sst13.net/pics/13zone4.jpg[/lvlshot]

And there is now a connection to the new MH room. The stairs here got replaced with a lift:
[lvlshot]http://sst13.net/pics/13zone5.jpg[/lvlshot]

A new passage from RA to the new MH room, bypassing the center room:
[lvlshot]http://sst13.net/pics/13zone6.jpg[/lvlshot]

A second new passage on the other side doing the same job:
[lvlshot]http://sst13.net/pics/13zone8.jpg[/lvlshot]

A "sucky pipe" brings you Super Mario style direct to the Quad:
[lvlshot]http://sst13.net/pics/13zone7.jpg[/lvlshot]

Actual layout/itemset:
[lvlshot]http://sst13.net/pics/13zone1.jpg[/lvlshot]

Itemset generator: http://sst13.de/itemset/ if you want to create you own set suggestion.

There are also 4 "glory holes" for shooting nades, railing and doing some crouch action.
The original map got 2 RLs, I replaced the one in front of the tele with a SG. Are 2 RLs better? Tell what do you think?
The map name is a kind of a placeholder, if you have any fancy ideas let me know.

Download Q3A version Alpha2 (2.5 MB)
PK3: map-13zone_a2.pk3
ZIP: map-13zone_a2.zip

QL version here: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/ ... 2594395188

Have fun testing... sst13

Post by **scythe** » Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:19 pm

Beautiful, smooth playing map. I'm so glad to see people still making levels for the old games. I loved your House of Cthon remix, as well. Such a great aesthetic. I didn't notice any issues with the map, though, it does feel less "brutal" than the Quake One version, probably because of the larger scale. I'm sure it would work well in team games though. I'd personally go with two rocket launchers, I found myself looking for the second one.

Post by **Eraser** » Thu Sep 09, 2021 8:34 am

Plays well. I understand you're still in the process of adding more detail, but one thing I want to comment on in that regard is that the jumppads and the sucky tube need some sort of visual cue to indicate what they are. Perhaps some kind of wavy wind gust effect coming out of the jumppads and going into the sucky pipe?

Post by **Obsessed** » Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:10 pm

sst13 wrote:The Dark Zone - RMX
Have fun testing... sst13

hi, sst13!

why I can't download the map and can't see the screens? :dork: there's no "Dark Zone" on you site..
you removed it or I'm doing something wrong?

Post by **sst13** » Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:09 am

@scythe :
Ok, next version will feature 2 RLs.

@Eraser:
I had such wind shaders in all previous maps, featuring this pipes. And the next beta will have them too. I was just too lazy to add them yet.

@Obsessed :
Looks like your Antivirus blocking normal http content embedded in https sites. And not even give you a hint about the missing stuff. >:(
I updated my beta section for you: http://sst13.de/beta (DL link + screenshots)

Post by **Obsessed** » Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:07 pm

sst13 wrote:I updated my beta section for you

tyvm! the map is very cool, it's huge at the first look, but I guess it just requires proper movement (like cpma guys do). anyway, RG promises to be op. but I don't like maps w/o RG. =)

..despite of this, I would :
1) reduce the above MH (and above LG) areas to make more vertical interaction, like this:

2) the above RG arch is narrow and impedes the movement

3) I'd make the below shards arch a bit higher

4) maybe removing the slugs would help (add: sure, cause the RG is op :rolleyes: ).
5) the YA jp throws you a little far so you must return to take the YA. I dunno how to make it look cool, but I think it's not worth to weaken the jp, maybe just moving it's dest a little away from the YA?
6) I'd move the under LG tele a little up, maybe even made it w/o constriction (the same square as the above "hole").
7) 2nd RL is worth adding (above the MH?), and if so, PG can take a place of one of the SG's (I'd prefer the lower one, but it doesn't really matter).

the map's flow is very nice! that's why I wrote all this nonsense ))

Post by **Daikatan** » Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:20 pm

Liked very much your House of Chthon remake, so keeping an eye on this one as well

Post by **Theftbot** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:50 pm

https://imgur.com/11D0yib

Post by **sst13** » Fri Feb 04, 2022 6:49 pm

Post by **v1l3** » Sun Feb 06, 2022 8:14 pm

Beautiful!

Post by **sst13** » Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:13 pm

Oh, btw. I found a bug: If you noclip above the map you probalbly get a "Shader_Max_Vertexes hit in FillCloudy Sky Side ()" Error and the map crashes. Q3 has a problem with skies using 3 cloud layers or more.

Fortunately this only happens when there are big portions of the skybox are rendered. If you stay in the clipped boundaries of the map, only the upper half of the skybox is rendered. This keeps the amount of the vertices under the threshold for crashing.

Use "r_fastsky 1" if you want to noclip around and search for secrets like a noob.

Speaking of secrets, there are already 5 secrets in the map, if you count in the teleporter under the lift.

Edit: Let me know if someone has a better idea for the maps name. Would be cool if the word "zone" stays in the name, so I don't have to rename the whole asset.

Post by **Obsessed** » Tue Feb 08, 2022 6:13 pm

sst13 wrote:Oh, btw

the swirl near LG is awesome! just like the effects around ammo nearby

the MH elevator moves w/o sound

I don't feel like this map needs to be renamed

Post by **GODLIKE** » Tue Feb 08, 2022 11:01 pm

Man, I'm hype to come in here after 15 years and find mapping still happening!! gonna DL immediately... screens look great.

Post by **sst13** » Wed Feb 09, 2022 1:34 am

Obsessed wrote:the MH elevator moves w/o sound

Do you hear no sound at all, or just the "missing sound" beeps?
Did you test with Q3 or some alternative?

The elevator is a func_door with a trigger. The same trigger fires also some speakers with the Quake1 lift sounds:

The logic segment determines if the lift is blocked by a player upwards (doesn't play the descent sounds)
or if the lift is blocked downwards (plays the descent sounds again at the second attempt)

The logic segment is in a seperate room, far away from the map to remove the default door sound. (the func_doors are one entitiy)

How it works:
The trigger fires the first 2 speakers + the func_door (lift) is moving up.
If no block occurred and the upper position is reached, the rocket shooter fires against the "logic func_door part" and backsplashes the button.
This button fires speaker 3 & 4 (descent sounds)
The rocket shooter fires a second time to test if the lift has reached the lower position.
If not, the descent sounds are played once again.

Why all the fuzz?
func_plat has no sounds in Q3. You can put some replacement sounds in your pk3, but other mappers have already done this with their own sounds. So the chances are bad for your sounds.
Also I don't like the behavior of func_plat to stay in the upper position if you don't step away from it.

Post by **Obsessed** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:54 am

sst13 wrote:Do you hear no sound at all, or just the "missing sound" beeps?
Did you test with Q3 or some alternative?

no sound at all. CNQ3 - CPMA q3 client.
I got the same problem on my map - bot stops upon the func_plat and "freezes" there. and when I'm below, its quite awkward being not able to shoot him to "wake" him up )

Post by **sst13** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 3:24 pm

Obsessed wrote:I got the same problem on my map - bot stops upon the func_plat and "freezes" there.

Try a "donotenter" brush on top of the func_plat (upper position). Maybe then the bot are willing to leave area above the lift.

Post by **Eraser** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 4:28 pm

Could use botclip if everything else fails

Post by **sst13** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:16 pm

Eraser wrote:Could use botclip if everything else fails

Yeah, a func_door out of botclip, pushing the bots from the platform like in a coin pusher.

@Obsessed:
I probably found the cause of the lift sounds not playing in CPMA. Did you disable ambient sounds "s_ambient 0"?
Looks like cpma disables all speakers in the map. Even the triggered ones. :rolleyes:
Not like in QL where only the looped speakers are disabled.

I also noticed in CPMA 1.52 that the lift is disapearing when movement starts and stops. I had this error with CPMA v1.47 too. But with v1.48 the error was gone. Now it's back.

From my point of view, CPMA is one of the buggiest mods around.

Post by **Fjoggs** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:39 pm

sst13: Just wanted to let you know that you should really get HTTPS on your homepage. The pictures won't load for people that use https only traffic (I believe this is default behaviour for firefox and chrome now?)

Post by **Obsessed** » Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:11 pm

@sst13 I think, you've awakened an Elder Evil of cpma mod through me ;D anyway: 1) the sound was in _a2 and disappeared in _b1, 2) I begin to hear it when I turn the ambient sounds on

and when I hear it, I want you to add the q3a growl1-growl3.wav sounds around the map

it really reminds q1 ogre's "welcome cry" ))

Try a "donotenter" brush on top
ty, I did it, tested a bit, but still dunno if it helped, cause bot didn't stuck there too often (before) =) anyway, he didn't stuck for a two 10 min matches and at least I'm glad he didn't begin to avoid that elevator at all

@Eraser, botclips couldn't help there I guess, only in such construction like pushing botclip door but I don't support such radicalism against AI

Post by **sst13** » Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:26 am

Final Release!

Now with a total of 7 secrets/easter eggs.

Download Q3A version (4MB)
PK3: map-13zone.pk3
ZIP: map-13zone.zip

QL version here: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/ ... 2572237218

Have fun!

Post by **Infernis** » Mon May 02, 2022 9:12 am

sst13 wrote:Final Release!

Now with a total of 7 secrets/easter eggs.

Download Q3A version (4MB)
PK3: map-13zone.pk3
ZIP: map-13zone.zip

QL version here: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/ ... 2572237218

Have fun!

You bet your ass I will

Again, top quality work like always. I'm especially impressed with the pipe sucking up the air. It looks so good, not fake at all. Very impressive stuff!

Post by **Obsessed** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:58 pm

sst13 wrote:Have fun!

oh, nice to hear! and about the Elder Evil - it have fixed that bug in cpma mod: "I've investigated the "lift disappearing bug" (yes, I know it's actually a func_door) today. found the problem and a simple fix, so that'll be solved in 1.53".
and it told me: "let him know that if he finds bugs he should let me know >:D "

Post by **quBit** » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:00 pm

Very solid work and great subtle effects, very well done!

Post by **sst13** » Sat Jun 25, 2022 12:32 pm

Thanks Infernis, quBit,

and Obsessed for your effort fixing the bug. Did your fix cover the same problen on func_button too?
Here is a sample map for testing a func_button using the no-sound hack: https://sst13.de/dev/noiseless-button.zip

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