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o'dium
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Posted: 10-11-2005 10:02 AM

Every Quake game thus far has had a test, and those tests were used for feedback for the fianl game to polish it as good as possible, right?

Well, Doom 3 never had a test and it turned out complete tripe. Quake 4 hasn't had a test, and... Well its not gone down to well either...

Reckon that has something to do with it? How important do YOU think tests are and why?

IMHO, I feel an early test is very important. It gives you a new set of eyes that can see things that you cant.

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Foo
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Posted: 10-11-2005 10:16 AM

I would have liked a test mainly because of the hype they can generate.

Aside from that, there's not too much altered between the first Q3Test and the finished product, in terms of gameplay. Most of all it was cosmetic and bugfixes.

Kinda like a head-start on patching.

I think one of the big catalysts behind the Q-tests was the size of the id team, so they couldn't test so effectively.

On the other hand you have Epic games, who employ a lot of people and presumably a lot of testers.

Don't forget, Activision has the Visioneer program of beta testers. There will have been semi-public beta released of Q4 already, but only within the program.

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duffman91
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Posted: 10-11-2005 10:42 AM

Interesting point. I have no doubt that id have a testing/beta team constantly giving them early feedback; however, a good public test would be very nice for a test run.

I'm sure it has something to do with the game's requirements. I wouldn't doubt if the lack of public tests is directly related to the expectation that most people will "have to" upgrade to play.

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MKJ
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Posted: 10-11-2005 10:45 AM

q4 had a closed test right?
and they used a lot of feedback they got from quakecon..

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chiQ
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Posted: 10-11-2005 10:47 AM

I loved the Q3 test. I reckon a MP test would have been a good PR exercise, if not a QA one.

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o'dium
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Posted: 10-11-2005 10:54 AM

MKJ wrote:
q4 had a closed test right?
and they used a lot of feedback they got from quakecon..

Yes but on set hardware that they pick.

What happens to people who cant run it in Ultra like those PC's there? What happens when you have X on your PC and it conflicts?

We already know that Quake 4 ships with copy protection, and thats gonna stop it from being installed on a few machines if you have deamon tools on. A test cant fix that though...

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Oeloe
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Posted: 10-11-2005 11:29 AM

o'dium wrote:
We already know that Quake 4 ships with copy protection, and thats gonna stop it from being installed on a few machines if you have deamon tools on. A test cant fix that though...
Wtf! I'm not gonna stop running Dtools to play Q4!

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^misantropia^
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Posted: 10-11-2005 11:05 PM

It's probably going to be a matter of days, if not hours, before you can get a crack off the internet to lift the copy protection. And rightfully so, since software (and esp. some random game) shouldn't impose restrictions on what you can and cannot do with your rig.

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Grudge
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Posted: 10-11-2005 11:08 PM

Activision does the testing now. I'm guessing they didn't have that beta testing program back in '99, that's why id released the Q3 tests to the public instead.

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John^Rocker
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Posted: 10-12-2005 12:06 AM

id did a great thing releasing the test and raven is afraid

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dzjepp
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Posted: 10-12-2005 12:17 AM

^misantropia^ wrote:
It's probably going to be a matter of days, if not hours, before you can get a crack off the internet to lift the copy protection. And rightfully so, since software (and esp. some random game) shouldn't impose restrictions on what you can and cannot do with your rig.

If it turns out to use SF3.x (which is entirely possible at this point, it hasn't been denied), then a lot of people are going to have a problem running it (illicit (having to disconnect drives, etc. ) , and even some legit, with having to disable emulated drives and whatnot).

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VoxProminence
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Posted: 10-12-2005 12:22 AM

yeah, and look how much quake3 changed between the first, and last test.

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Foo
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Posted: 10-12-2005 05:55 AM

Starforce is an unholy creation.

Ask any Trackmania player.

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Posted: 10-12-2005 08:54 AM

chiQ wrote:
I loved the Q3 test. I reckon a MP test would have been a good PR exercise, if not a QA one.

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Grudge
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Posted: 10-12-2005 09:42 AM

I'm not installing anything that comes with Starforce. Fuck that. Fuck that right in the ass.

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Tormentius
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Posted: 10-12-2005 09:57 AM

I'll definitely buy Q4 the 18th but there is no way in hell I'm leaving the copy protection on it. As ^misantropia^ said, its not some companies place to tell people what other software can run on their systems.

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FragZilla!
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Posted: 10-13-2005 09:48 AM

It's not a whole new ball-game and there are much more testing resources for game developers to use compared to the 'we can all fit in one room' days.

As long as the skill curve hasn't been crushed like an Elephant stepping on an Ant (ala Quake3...please be more like Quake1&2!!!), I'm sure that gameplay will be great and players will stick by it for years to come.

I'm sure that there will be a few tweak & obscure hardware compatibility patches, but the gameplay should be rock-solid when the game goes Gold.

As far as the type of copy protection that will be used, that's an abomination. iD would be better off using something like (ducks) Steam/Valve authentication.

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shiznit
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Posted: 10-13-2005 10:38 AM

A test would of been good.

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shiznit
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Posted: 10-13-2005 12:20 PM

It's not the same.

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o'dium
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Posted: 10-13-2005 12:29 PM

Its a closed test in a closed space with set hardware thats all the same.

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Foo
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Posted: 10-13-2005 01:01 PM

...first reply in the thread. I already covered that with the comment about Visioneer.

What's the point in asking a question if you're not listening to the answers?

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o'dium
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Posted: 10-13-2005 01:11 PM

Foo wrote:
...first reply in the thread. I already covered that with the comment about Visioneer.

What's the point in asking a question if you're not listening to the answers?

Sorry god, must of misread "Quake 3 World Foos Right Shut Up Forums" as "Quake 3 World Discussion Forums".

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Foo
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Posted: 10-13-2005 01:26 PM

o'dium wrote:
Foo wrote:
...first reply in the thread. I already covered that with the comment about Visioneer.

What's the point in asking a question if you're not listening to the answers?

Sorry god, must of misread "Quake 3 World Foos Right Shut Up Forums" as "Quake 3 World Discussion Forums".

So you don't have an actual response for me except for an insult?

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[FTF]Pyro
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Posted: 10-13-2005 01:38 PM

Foo wrote:

So you don't have an actual response for me except for an insult?

why fly fish when shooting in a barrell is easier

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Foo
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Posted: 10-13-2005 01:40 PM

lots of morons in here.. probably misinformed.

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Oeloe
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Posted: 10-13-2005 01:47 PM

FragZilla! wrote:
As long as the skill curve hasn't been crushed like an Elephant stepping on an Ant (ala Quake3...please be more like Quake1&2!!!), I'm sure that gameplay will be great and players will stick by it for years to come.
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q4 had a closed test right? and they used a lot of feedback they got from quakecon..

I loved the Q3 test. I reckon a MP test would have been a good PR exercise, if not a QA one.

o'dium wrote:We already know that Quake 4 ships with copy protection, and thats gonna stop it from being installed on a few machines if you have deamon tools on. A test cant fix that though...Wtf! I'm not gonna stop running Dtools to play Q4!

It's probably going to be a matter of days, if not hours, before you can get a crack off the internet to lift the copy protection. And rightfully so, since software (and esp. some random game) shouldn't impose restrictions on what you can and cannot do with your rig.

Activision does the testing now. I'm guessing they didn't have that beta testing program back in '99, that's why id released the Q3 tests to the public instead.

id did a great thing releasing the test and raven is afraid

yeah, and look how much quake3 changed between the first, and last test.

Starforce is an unholy creation. Ask any Trackmania player.

chiQ wrote:I loved the Q3 test. I reckon a MP test would have been a good PR exercise, if not a QA one.

I'm not installing anything that comes with Starforce. Fuck that. Fuck that right in the ass.

I'll definitely buy Q4 the 18th but there is no way in hell I'm leaving the copy protection on it. As ^misantropia^ said, its not some companies place to tell people what other software can run on their systems.

A test would of been good.

It's not the same.

Its a closed test in a closed space with set hardware thats all the same.

...first reply in the thread. I already covered that with the comment about Visioneer. What's the point in asking a question if you're not listening to the answers?

Foo wrote:...first reply in the thread. I already covered that with the comment about Visioneer.What's the point in asking a question if you're not listening to the answers? Sorry god, must of misread "Quake 3 World Foos Right Shut Up Forums" as "Quake 3 World Discussion Forums".

Foo wrote:So you don't have an actual response for me except for an insult? why fly fish when shooting in a barrell is easier

lots of morons in here.. probably misinformed.

FragZilla! wrote:As long as the skill curve hasn't been crushed like an Elephant stepping on an Ant (ala Quake3...please be more like Quake1&2!!!), I'm sure that gameplay will be great and players will stick by it for years to come.:icon16:

q4 had a closed test right?
and they used a lot of feedback they got from quakecon..

o'dium wrote:
We already know that Quake 4 ships with copy protection, and thats gonna stop it from being installed on a few machines if you have deamon tools on. A test cant fix that though...
Wtf! I'm not gonna stop running Dtools to play Q4!

Starforce is an unholy creation.

Ask any Trackmania player.

chiQ wrote:
I loved the Q3 test. I reckon a MP test would have been a good PR exercise, if not a QA one.

...first reply in the thread. I already covered that with the comment about Visioneer.

What's the point in asking a question if you're not listening to the answers?

Foo wrote:
...first reply in the thread. I already covered that with the comment about Visioneer.

What's the point in asking a question if you're not listening to the answers?

Sorry god, must of misread "Quake 3 World Foos Right Shut Up Forums" as "Quake 3 World Discussion Forums".

Foo wrote:

So you don't have an actual response for me except for an insult?

why fly fish when shooting in a barrell is easier

FragZilla! wrote:
As long as the skill curve hasn't been crushed like an Elephant stepping on an Ant (ala Quake3...please be more like Quake1&2!!!), I'm sure that gameplay will be great and players will stick by it for years to come.
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