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PostPosted: 10-18-2005 01:48 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Could they just not be bothered?



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PostPosted: 10-18-2005 02:03 PM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Human resources, deadline, and time constraints.

Obviously.



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PostPosted: 10-18-2005 02:18 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


I heard it was not possible on the pc, the 360 should have bots.
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PostPosted: 10-18-2005 02:26 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Raven could have very easily added bots, so perhaps they delayed adding bots in an attempt to intice more people to try online play, its quite addictive u know :icon29:
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PostPosted: 10-18-2005 02:27 PM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


shiznit wrote:
I heard it was not possible on the pc, the 360 should have bots.


Dont be stupid, thats leaning. Everybody knows that leaning is impossible in First person games. Willits said so.
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PostPosted: 10-18-2005 02:34 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Maybe we get bost later with a point release.
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PostPosted: 10-18-2005 02:36 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Jenny wrote:
Raven could have very easily added bots


Do you have any idea what a bitch it is to write a good MP bot?
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PostPosted: 10-18-2005 02:40 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


No I don't think you guys understand it because you don't know how it works. I do because I understand how it all works. Remember id software could not get co-op on the pc but could get it on the xbox? Same thing here, it’s simply impossible for Raven to do it. Computers are simply not smart enough, maybe if we had skynet.
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PostPosted: 10-18-2005 02:56 PM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Sarcasm?
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PostPosted: 10-18-2005 03:09 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


^misantropia^ wrote:
Jenny wrote:
Raven could have very easily added bots


Do you have any idea what a bitch it is to write a good MP bot?


Yes. (i'm not implying they're easy to make)
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PostPosted: 10-18-2005 03:24 PM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


who needs bots anyway? why play a bot when there's a whole community out there to play against?
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PostPosted: 10-18-2005 03:25 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Thats stupid Eraser and you know it. :p
Not everyone has a good connection.
Also, we need bots for all the custom maps we create that no one gives a shit about.
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PostPosted: 10-18-2005 03:42 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


And for playing while our connection is under heavy use :ninja:
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PostPosted: 10-18-2005 04:13 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


And just for practicing....
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PostPosted: 10-18-2005 09:00 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


yeah, I think the bots are really helpful for level development, helps you see where to optimise and stuff. waiting for the oak Bots to come out for Q4. Maybe I'll trundle on over there now and see if there's any news.
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PostPosted: 10-18-2005 09:11 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


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PostPosted: 10-18-2005 09:14 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


It seems like a lot of work for a very small percentage of people who will actually miss them.
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PostPosted: 10-18-2005 09:16 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


I don't care for playing bots, but I'm sure there are people who do.

If Raven or id looked at the online servers to get an idea, they probably decided nobody uses them since they're disabled on most good servers.
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PostPosted: 10-18-2005 09:17 PM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Yeah but bots are for offline play primarily.

Being able to have a deathmatch in single player adds a whole extra element to the game, besides the single player campaign. It's seperate from the online multiplayer in terms of gameplay because bots are fun, just not in the same way as playing online.

Also, you can't judge how popular bots are in most games, because they're primarily played against offline.



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PostPosted: 10-18-2005 09:31 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Yea, that was kinda my point. :)
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PostPosted: 10-18-2005 11:15 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


although if you want to get familiar with online play, its good to have a bot or two to go against so you can sus out the play online with the impact of ping, rather than in sp....



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PostPosted: 10-19-2005 04:35 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Cause human opponents are more challenging....
....well most of the time :p



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PostPosted: 10-19-2005 05:03 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


R00k wrote:
Yea, that was kinda my point. :)


I just reread your post and I really missed the gist of what you were saying, sorry :icon32:



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PostPosted: 10-19-2005 08:09 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


inolen wrote:
It seems like a lot of work for a very small percentage of people who will actually miss them.
I'd say it's the other way around... if you think about the number of units that Quake 3 shifted compared to the number of players that were online at any given moment, you'd be looking at max 10% of units sold (specualtive observation of course). What are the other 90% doing [insert smutty joke here]?
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PostPosted: 10-19-2005 08:15 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Kat wrote:
inolen wrote:
It seems like a lot of work for a very small percentage of people who will actually miss them.
I'd say it's the other way around... if you think about the number of units that Quake 3 shifted compared to the number of players that were online at any given moment, you'd be looking at max 10% of units sold (specualtive observation of course). What are the other 90% doing [insert smutty joke here]?
Well it's not like all 100% of the people who bought Q3 are playing at the same time. You could say that 10% are playing online, 85% aren't playing, and 5% playing offline at any given moment. It's hard to estimate how many people actually play with bots.
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PostPosted: 10-19-2005 08:52 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


I wasn't exactly implying that they played the game at the same time (server overload!) but more so commenting on a more 'global' numbers game. I've noticed over the years that gamers that do play online take it for granted (don't give it a second thought) and often assume *everyone* does, or if not then why not "they must be crazy".

Aside from all that, from my understanding 'bots', in whatever capacity, are actually rare in games in general, they should be on the endangered animals list.
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PostPosted: 10-19-2005 11:02 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


I know a lot of people who have a copy of quake 3 since 1999/2000...and they played maybe few times online....rest of time they play offline....
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