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CIA wins again... We lose... Questions?...




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This bullshit shouldn't even be allowed to be posted...




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You actually think Isis is real? ROFL ...




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It's your conspiracy mindset that isn't real...




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Popping out of no where in a few months... Acquiring all that territory and weapons just like that...well produced beheading videos that help them in no way but only create continued support for military action by the west :olo: ...

Read up on history of baghdadi and get back with me... Chump...




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xer0s wrote:
It's your conspiracy mindset that isn't real...


The conspiracy was the invasion of Iraq... Or u one of those morons who thinks it was just a honest intelligence mistake? :olo: ...




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scared? wrote:
Popping out of no where in a few months... Acquiring all that territory and weapons just like that...well produced beheading videos that help them in no way but only create continued support for military action by the west :olo: ...

Read up on history of baghdadi and get back with me... Chump...


A few months? lol clueless moron alert.

Thank fuck your kind stays in amurrka




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scared? wrote:
xer0s wrote:
It's your conspiracy mindset that isn't real...


The conspiracy was the invasion of Iraq... Or u one of those morons who thinks it was just a honest intelligence mistake? :olo: ...


No. Let me say this clearly, so you can understand. It's my belief that you are not actually a conspiracy theorist. You simply play one on the Internet...




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Either way, we shouldn't be the least bit shocked when our foreign policy comes back to bite us violently in the ass.




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Many areas around the world know this is CIA bullshit.... Grow up chump...


Quote:
“It is obvious to everyone that the Islamic State is a creation of the United States and Israel.”



http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/21/wo ... ?referrer=




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Grow up chump indeed :!:

Misleading topic/thread titles benefit no one - Consider correction or deletion...



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Facts aren't misleading moron....




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Schooled by Whiskey 7, how embarrassing.



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Doombrain wrote:
scared? wrote:
Popping out of no where in a few months... Acquiring all that territory and weapons just like that...well produced beheading videos that help them in no way but only create continued support for military action by the west :olo: ...

Read up on history of baghdadi and get back with me... Chump...


A few months? lol clueless moron alert.

Thank fuck your kind stays in amurrka



Nah there are morons like him in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, too. Everything is America's and the Jew Bogey-men's fault.

also lol @ "Jordian" ffs



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Jesus, they actually went and found a new level of barbaric depravity... sick bastards. The behaviour of increasingly desperate men who know it must all end in blood i'm thinking.

Found one thing especially interesting; the Guardian reported that at the end of the video they showed pictures of his fellow pilots - wonder how they managed that. Social media? Or do they actually have agents in Jordan who went and took pictures like in some bad spy flick?

Also, i grow really tired of these conspiracy theories regarding IS. All it shows is a profound lack of knowledge & understanding about what happened in the region and why for the last decade or so.



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Killing Sadam Hussain was one of the worst things the US ever did. Despit being a massive bellend, he kept IS under control.

Also IS members are not Muslims, they are violent murderes and rapists hiding behind relgion as a means a justification for their acts.




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In the same way a hedge fund manager is not really a capitalist perhaps...



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Ryoki wrote:
In the same way a hedge fund manager is not really a capitalist perhaps...


well put



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Nice bit of generalization there.
All Muslims will claim they're Muslim, but there's a world of difference between members of IS and my buddy I hang out with once in a while, who happens to be Muslim as well.




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no Scotsman would do such a thing

no true Scotsman would do such a thing



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Clueless, easily controlled morons... :olo: ...




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Your wife says the same about you...:olo:




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feedback wrote:
no Scotsman would do such a thing

no true Scotsman would do such a thing

What are you trying to say?
Not all Muslims are religious fanatics. You wouldn't even notice my friend's a Muslim until you hear him ask if a dish contains pork or not.




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Eraser wrote:
feedback wrote:
no Scotsman would do such a thing

no true Scotsman would do such a thing

What are you trying to say?
Not all Muslims are religious fanatics. You wouldn't even notice my friend's a Muslim until you hear him ask if a dish contains pork or not.

Don't be silly. He's a Muslim so he's sub-human, a chimp even.




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Just like the Jews?...




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I was being sarcastic you mong.




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Don Carlos wrote:
Also IS members are not Muslims


and you're not an Islamic scholar in a position to make that claim

Ryoki wrote:
In the same way a hedge fund manager is not really a capitalist perhaps...


strictly-speaking, business people don't give a rat's ass about ideology (activists, politicians and academics on the other hand...), so while it's possible that a hedge fund manager is a capitalist in his spare time, i doubt he lets 'doctrine' cloud his business judgement




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Ryoki wrote:
Jesus, they actually went and found a new level of barbaric depravity... sick bastards.

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015 ... -practice/

not really new unfortunately...




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ever heard of napalm?




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Eraser wrote:
feedback wrote:
no Scotsman would do such a thing

no true Scotsman would do such a thing

What are you trying to say?
Not all Muslims are religious fanatics. You wouldn't even notice my friend's a Muslim until you hear him ask if a dish contains pork or not.


I'm saying that the sooner everyone stops pretending they aren't Muslims the sooner this kind of bullshit will reach a conclusion. They may have a more violent interpretation of it, but to pretend that the religion doesn't have a lot of violence preached in it against other religions/atheists is ignoring reality. Ignoring it and saying "but ALL religions have bad parts" doesn't make it less true for a particular one whose bad parts result in a lot unnecessary of human suffering and rights violations. There is a "not my problem, don't look at me" attitude combined with a tacit condoning of inexcusable acts, as long as it's the west who is the recipient, as there is a prevailing attitude that we deserve it as retribution for any number of acts real and imagined from the present day back a thousand years.

In fact, one can argue that religious literalists are the "truer" version of the religion than the accepting, moderate, peaceful people with we to think about to make ourselves feel fuzzy. Someone who owns slaves, beats their wife to death and casts men who lie with other men off cliffs is a lot closer to the origins of their religion than most, strictly speaking.



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HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/04/burning-victims-death-still-common-practice/

not really new unfortunately...


Whoa, people have died before by being burned alive, such as by use of modern weapon systems? Hold the fucking presses!

What a nonsensical article by Greenwald, whose opinion i usually value highly - the barbarism stems from not from the burning itself but from doing it to a prisoner in a cage, that's some medieval shit and i'm quite amazed Greenwald apparently doesn't see a difference. Will he defend IS drawing and quartering a prisoner next time because folks tend to get their legs blown off from high explosive granades as well?



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In fact, one can argue that religious literalists are the "truer" version of the religion than the accepting, moderate, peaceful people with we to think about to make ourselves feel fuzzy. Someone who owns slaves, beats their wife to death and casts men who lie with other men off cliffs is a lot closer to the origins of their religion than most, strictly speaking.


Hah, well put :smirk:



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I'm saying that the sooner everyone stops pretending they aren't Muslims the sooner this kind of bullshit will reach a conclusion. They may have a more violent interpretation of it, but to pretend that the religion doesn't have a lot of violence preached in it against other religions/atheists is ignoring reality. Ignoring it and saying "but ALL religions have bad parts" doesn't make it less true for a particular one whose bad parts result in a lot unnecessary of human suffering and rights violations. There is a "not my problem, don't look at me" attitude combined with a tacit condoning of inexcusable acts, as long as it's the west who is the recipient, as there is a prevailing attitude that we deserve it as retribution for any number of acts real and imagined from the present day back a thousand years.

In fact, one can argue that religious literalists are the "truer" version of the religion than the accepting, moderate, peaceful people with we to think about to make ourselves feel fuzzy. Someone who owns slaves, beats their wife to death and casts men who lie with other men off cliffs is a lot closer to the origins of their religion than most, strictly speaking.


You're approaching this from the wrong angle. Rather than lumping all Muslims on one big pile you should judge people by their actions, not whether or not they label themselves using the same syntax. The semantics behind those "labels" differ greatly and I'm not sure whether or not you want this to be a discussion about semantics ("ooh, they use the same term to identify themselves") or a discussion about (the differences in) ideology. I have no problem with my friend identifying himself as Muslim. If IS members want to identify as Muslims, well, they're free to do so. When things become iffy is when you start drawing parallels between them purely based on the fact that they both call themselves "Muslim". Also, just look at the various flavors of Christianity spread throughout the world. One Christian isn't the same as the other, especially not considering the bible promotes the use of violence against gays and whatnot as well.

tl;dr "Muslim" can have various meanings. It means something vastly different when my friend calls himself a "Muslim" as when an IS member calls himself a "Muslim".




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Eraser, did you get the mistaken impression that either Feedback or i said something along the lines of 'all muslims are IS members'? Because i thought we were arguing that it's nonsenscial to say that IS members are not muslims, which is another discussion.

Maybe your muslim friend doesn't feel that gay people should be killed per se - and let me just say that's awfully nice of him & i appreciate it - but i fail to see what that has to do with anything.



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Yup it's vastly different comparing an IS member to an average muslim living in the UK or USA. But not as different as comparing an IS member and an average Christian, Jew, Buddhist, Hindu, or non-religious person. Why is that so hard to admit?



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