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PostPosted: 05-15-2015 02:20 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


The Boston bomber got the death penalty.

I say hooray. How say you?

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A US jury has unanimously sentenced Boston bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev to death for perpetrating one of the bloodiest assaults in America since the September 11, 2001 attacks.

It took the jury more than 14 hours to choose death over life imprisonment on six of the 17 capital counts for the 21-year-old former university student of Chechen descent, who came to the United States as a child.

The same 12-member panel convicted him on April 8 on all 30 counts relating to the April 15, 2013, bombings, the murder of a police officer, a car jacking and a shootout while on the run.



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PostPosted: 05-15-2015 02:52 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


I don't agree with the death penalty, not even for scumbags like him
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PostPosted: 05-15-2015 03:12 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Same ^



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PostPosted: 05-15-2015 04:32 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Better to do what Norway did to fuck-face island shoot-em-up guy than do a death penalty. Where is the moral and ethical fortitude in a death penalty? Caveman vengeance BS. Its is murica though.
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^ + ^^ + ^^^ - ^^^^

ffs wtf is wrong with you whisk?
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PostPosted: 05-15-2015 07:45 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


He's just a product of the ol' days when the sheriff used to drag bandits behind his horse before hanging them from the water tower.



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Pext wrote:
^ + ^^ + ^^^ - ^^^^

ffs wtf is wrong with you whisk?


Nothing really :) but you have to admit this was a terrible premeditated act of terrorism, 3 people killed and 264 others wounded, including 17 who lost limbs. That is a lot of victims.

I say the planet is better off without this scum.

It is a emotive topic and maybe I am prompted because of a recent event close to home.
Did anyone (here in the world) hear of the recent execution by firing squad of two Australians in Indonesia? Their execution took 10 years from court conviction for drug smuggling.

I still say some crimes against humanity deserve the death penalty.



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PostPosted: 05-15-2015 10:16 PM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


End the death penalty. The last thing we need is more skeletons to fight in the uprising.
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PostPosted: 05-16-2015 12:21 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


seremtan wrote:
I don't agree with the death penalty, not even for scumbags like him

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PostPosted: 05-16-2015 12:21 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Whiskey 7 wrote:
you have to admit this was a terrible premeditated act of terrorism


nobody has to grudgingly "admit" this because it's obvious. simply reminding people of the enormity of his crime doesn't make an argument for execution
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PostPosted: 05-16-2015 12:25 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


actually, there are circumstances when execution is defensible: when the mere fact of the executed person continuing to draw breath at all (under whatever circumstances) is a threat to the lives of many other people. for instance: Ceausescu. when he was on the run in december 1989, the Securitate were up on rooftops shooting protesters with sniper rifles because they thought the regime - a personality cult centered around Ceausescu - would be restored. by executing him and broadcasting it on TV they put a stop to that, preventing a civil war (along with many deaths)

this guy doesn't even remotely fit that criterion. neither do most evil scumbags
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Capital punishment is an ignominious act of prehistoric eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth sentiments that don't belong in modern societies.

It doesn't work as a warning, it doesn't quench your thirst for retaliation, and it's a total shame if the convicted was innocent. Especially since our legal systems are prone to flaws.
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Let alone which, it's got to affect whoever administers the punishment.
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PostPosted: 05-16-2015 05:48 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


If he's not executed what do YOU do with him?
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YourGrandpa wrote:
If he's not executed what do YOU do with him?

Give him a stern talking to
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Tell him he's free to go as soon as he can draw an accurate depiction on Gwamp's head, but he's not allowed to use straight lines or right angles.



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If he's not executed what do YOU do with him?


give him a slap on the wrist, a subscription to the Guardian, and then blame society
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PostPosted: 05-16-2015 08:50 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


So you've got a problem with how the situation is being handled, but no viable alternative?

Typical...
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Does it really matter? Kill him, lock him up for life. He's off the streets and can't hurt anyone else. Problem solved...
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seremtan wrote:
YourGrandpa wrote:
If he's not executed what do YOU do with him?


give him a slap on the wrist, a subscription to the Guardian, and then blame society



Exactly. What I want to know is why his school failed him. How could society force him into these making terrible actions? :alert:



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YourGrandpa wrote:
So you've got a problem with how the situation is being handled, but no viable alternative?

Typical...


so you've never heard of life imprisonment, which counts as a 'viable alternative' in the civilised parts of the world?
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feedback wrote:
What I want to know is why his school failed him.


i bet his school didn't even have a safe zone or use trigger warnings on books. he's totally the victim here
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saturn wrote:
Capital punishment is an ignominious act of prehistoric eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth sentiments that don't belong in modern societies.

It doesn't work as a warning, it doesn't quench your thirst for retaliation, and it's a total shame if the convicted was innocent. Especially since our legal systems are prone to flaws.


More than that though, the fact that a government can have a legal right to kill its citizens is a terrifying thing. I reject the death penalty on those grounds alone.
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The thing I don't like about life imprisonment is the cost to the rest of society or the fact that locking someone up isn't going to make it all better. Neither is killing him, (sigh), I don't have any answers though to those problems



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seremtan wrote:
so you've never heard of life imprisonment, which counts as a 'viable alternative' in the civilised parts of the world?


Yeah, I'm for life in prison too. But I don't think I or anyone should be forced to pay for it. I mean I'm all for those who want to keep this terrorist alive to build a jail cell on their own property, hire armed guards to watch him 24/7, pay for his maintenance, food, electric, plumbing, medical, etc. for the rest of his life. Otherwise, end him and his burden on society.

However, I find it hard to believe that anyone would offer this guy life in prison if ran up and stabbed your family member in the face right in front of you.

IJS.
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YourGrandpa wrote:
Yeah, I'm for life in prison too. But I don't think I or anyone should be forced to pay for it. I mean I'm all for those who want to keep this terrorist alive to build a jail cell on their own property, hire armed guards to watch him 24/7, pay for his maintenance, food, electric, plumbing, medical, etc. for the rest of his life. Otherwise, end him and his burden on society.

However, I find it hard to believe that anyone would offer this guy life in prison if ran up and stabbed your family member in the face right in front of you.

IJS.


Maybe I lean heavily toward the death sentence in some cases (like this) because, imprisonment for life here is not like where you people live. There are murders committed here where the convicted receive little or no jail time, and yes, I appreciate there are nations that have no hesitation in summary execution.

If 'life in prison' meant they would never get out it would be a different world. We would have millions around the globe doing life in jail and we'd all be the poorer for it IMO in more than simple financial terms.

Maybe too, it was the premeditated act of terrorism and the number of casualties that prompted the post, and remember, I am on the other side of the planet to Boston :)

Personal note: Every prisoner I met doing life knew they would get out if they behaved themselves. There were some horrendous crimes and yes some were beyond rehabilitation or forgiveness >:D but still, it wasn't 'life in prison' for them.

:arrow: Did anyone hear of the recent execution by firing squad of two Australians in Indonesia for drug smuggling some 10 years after their conviction. I just wondered if it made news where you are :smirk:

A rather lengthy item on the subject
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YourGrandpa wrote:
seremtan wrote:
so you've never heard of life imprisonment, which counts as a 'viable alternative' in the civilised parts of the world?


Yeah, I'm for life in prison too. But I don't think I or anyone should be forced to pay for it. I mean I'm all for those who want to keep this terrorist alive to build a jail cell on their own property, hire armed guards to watch him 24/7, pay for his maintenance, food, electric, plumbing, medical, etc. for the rest of his life. Otherwise, end him and his burden on society.

However, I find it hard to believe that anyone would offer this guy life in prison if ran up and stabbed your family member in the face right in front of you.

IJS.


If that's the case you shouldn't pay for anyone in prison, just let them all run free.

And if he stabbed my family I'd like to think that I would'nt give them the chance of standing trial, but justice is impartial.



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what gramps is saying is that if someone steals his car or his boat, it would be unfair for other people to pay for the thief to sit in jail for however long, therefore gramps is willing to pay for a private jail cell (i assume he'll do the electrics himself, to save money) so that the violation of his property rights isn't a burden on society

or maybe he'd be willing to cover the costs of short-term incarceration for property crimes but not the long term cost of life imprisonment? hmm. that would make sense if property crimes didn't outweigh homicides many times over, thus evening out the cost. it would also make sense if America didn't have a three strikes rule (thanks to Slick Willy) that hands out a life sentence to someone convicted of stealing a cookie (so long as they've been convicted of stealing two other cookies on two previous occasions)
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It's mildly humorous, but ultimately sad how people have to come up with absurd scenarios to rationalize their ridiculous views.

Like grand/petty theft is somehow remotely comparable to mass murder or terrorism.

Psshh.. :tard:
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She's doing fine. This year we'll be married 16 years.
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Like grand/petty theft is somehow remotely comparable to mass murder or terrorism.


morally speaking it isn't, but you made an argument based on the cost of incarceration, and cost is something that can be measured and therefore compared

it's as if you haven't got the balls to just say "murderers deserve to die", and make a moral case for that position (one that doesn't involve a tedious and irrelevant "how would you feel?" rhetorical gesture)
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Well you could extend the arguement and ask if anyone serving a life sentence should be sentenced to death ?

People like these dirty scumbags -

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Over 3,200 people nationwide are serving life terms without a chance of parole for nonviolent offenses. Of those prisoners, 80 percent are behind bars for drug-related convictions. Sixty-five percent are African-American, 18 percent are white, and 16 percent are Latino. The ACLU has called these statistics proof of "extreme racial disparities." Some of the crimes that led to life sentences include stealing gas from a truck, shoplifting, etc. A large number of those imprisoned had no prior criminal history whatsoever


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I just read n all that to serve as a Juror in a capital punishment case you have to be 'death qualified', which basically means if you oppose the death penalty you get stricken off the Jury list.

That has to show bias surely ?



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