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PostPosted: 08-16-2013 08:41 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Because the public demands it!
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PostPosted: 08-16-2013 10:29 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


MKJ wrote:
I still think it's funny people think Valve's core business is HalfLife while they got two huge money machines in the form of Steam and TF2 going on.
They have been faring fine for the past 6 years without any HL releases.. why would Ep3 be their primary concern?


Coming from someone who barely touched TF2, and it was ages ago, how does Valve make money on TF2?
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PostPosted: 08-16-2013 10:45 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


ingame microtransactions



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PostPosted: 08-16-2013 10:47 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


http://gamepolitics.com/2011/10/14/valv ... g5zbG1sLNU



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PostPosted: 08-16-2013 10:53 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Dota 2 players contributed something like 3 million in revenue by buying the compendium alone this year. That's at 10$ a sale. Obviously, the money went to the TI3 event and the teams, but the point is that the money is there in the microtransactions.



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PostPosted: 08-16-2013 12:37 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


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http://gamepolitics.com/2011/10/14/valve-2-million-team-fortress-2-micro-transactions#.Ug5zbG1sLNU


Two million dollars? That's it? In the 4 years from when it was launched to when that article was published... Unless something has changed since then that is pocket change, at best, for Valve. Half Life 2 sold 6 times that many copies for who knows how much revenue.
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2 million, yes. In 4 months time. The game went free-to-play in June 2011 and the article is from October 2011. We're almost 2 years further now, and as far as I know, revenue has only increased since then.
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Just so you guys have some idea of the amounts of "revenue" were talking about as it pertains to Valve running its business: $3 million is only enough to cover about 3 months wages for a studio with a staff of about 80. I'm not even getting into office costs. :p

Also, only about 5% of Free-To-Play gamers actually spend money on microtransactions...everyone else never pays a dime.
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Obviously, but I'm guessing .5 million per month for doing fuckall adds nicely to the Steam revenue. Not only that, it also pleases shareholders which is probably what it's all about. Them peeps bring in the real money.
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PostPosted: 08-16-2013 05:30 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Ah, thanks Eraser. I didn't realize the micropayments didn't exist at all until then. Oops.
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PostPosted: 08-16-2013 07:56 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


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Not only that, it also pleases shareholders which is probably what it's all about.


Valve is still privately owned.



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PostPosted: 08-16-2013 09:42 PM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Which doesn't mean there aren't any share holders. It just means that the shareholders don't publicly trade their shares (on the stock exchange). Shareholders could be members of the company or, for example, inverstors.
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Aye but those shareholders won't normally have any say in how the company is run, laced with all sorts of stipulations because not just anyone can buy shares. They'd just be people pumping money into the pie, so no one to please. This also means that they can't have board room power struggles by having people replaced when they don't meet targets laid out to its shareholders.

Of course any details are private, they don't even have to file the accounts publicly.



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Uh, you got it all wrong there, Bob.
Investors want to see a return on their investment. If they have shares, then they own that part of the company and they do have a saying in how the company should operate. That's no different between publicly and privately held companies. Actually, I imagine the influence of shareholders is bigger with privately held companies because there generally are less shareholders and they usually are closer to the company than public stakeholders who may be average Joe peeps that happened to buy a few shares.
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You're right they have an obligation to the shareholder but that obligation isn't tied to share price, the owner can run the company as he sees fit. On the public market if a quarterly report shows shares fall for whatever reason a huge power struggle will surely follow and opens valve up to litigation from damaging the comapanies value.

The stipulations I mentioned are also important. Usually shareholders are required to stay silent.



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PostPosted: 08-16-2013 10:28 PM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


I read an article ages ago that Gabe have each employee a tiny amount of the company when steam came out and now every single one of those employees is a millionaire...
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Eurgh, private shareholders can take valve to court for devaluing stock n all, we know this they operate in the same environment :/. It's just harder to do this because they don't have to provide projections for end of year reports and the end of year accounts would have to show a big loss consistantly for the claim to be taken seriously. I should have really said the importance of that obligation isn't geared to share price.

It's early :/



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THE PLOT THICKENS!

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The Valve voice actor who last week suggested Half-Life 3 was not currently in production has retracted his statement.

John Patrick Lowrie has removed the comments from his personal blog and posted a retraction - reproduced in full below.

So, is Half-Life 3 in production after all? Lowrie now claims "I really don't know".

"My comments just seemed to cause a whole bunch of confusion and when I tried to minimize the confusion I misspoke and caused a whole bunch more confusion," he said. "The most important thing to know about voice actors is that we're the last to know anything. We don't find out about a project until we get hired to do voices for it.

"What I was trying to say before (and failed) is that whatever Gabe Newell has to say about a project is the best info you're going to get. He owns the company and knows what's going on.

"Sorry that I gave the impression that I know what's going on. I really wasn't trying to and I really don't know."


http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013- ... evelopment
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AHHA!!! PROOF IF EVER THERE WAS ANY!!
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I was right, proof that Gabe ate it.



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PostPosted: 08-19-2013 07:22 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Half life 1 and 2 sucked...
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It's obvious it's in the works. Secrets are only kept for things that are actually happening. If they weren't working on it, they'd just say so...
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It's obvious it's in the works. Secrets are only kept for things that are actually happening. If they weren't working on it, they'd just say so...

Either that, or keeping the HL3 hype alive is a sure way to keep yourself and your games in the spotlight. I mean, whenever Valve announces doing something (or it leaking out) they can be sure of gazillions of articles about how game X they're doing is not HL3.
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But how long can they keep that up without producing the goods and pissing fans off?
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PostPosted: 08-19-2013 11:57 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


About 6 years and counting.
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Not entirely true, they did release some vague and generic concept art 2 years ago.
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oh my GODDDD

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Woohoo!!!
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Suck it non believers... thread delivers.
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Tsakali wrote:
Suck it non believers... thread delivers.


Yes, might yet.
Me, well just entered Nova Prospect. I am sure they didn't have achievements last I played just after release :smirk:



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