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PostPosted: 11-19-2006 12:37 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


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anyone else having issues with disk reading? i'm having the same issue as discodave had. the dvd does not have a mark on it. going to let it cool down.


not having any problems with the disk reading here.

I agree about some of the regular multi - there aren't enough modes IMHO. I do enjoy the co-op though.


co op's where its at


coop wins but i quite like the mp - but if you team sucks you usually go with em



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Seems what the MP needs is dedicated Linux servers, though I doubt MS would be happy about that.


yes because linux is obviously the only solution
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it is to that moron



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what the fucked he on about anyway?? the server is the xbox with the biggest pipe.



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Dedicated Servers > P2P
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yeah but why would MS do that? they won't make anu money from it



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what the fucked he on about anyway?? the server is the xbox with the biggest pipe.


Yes, and it's working so great! :rolleyes:
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works for me. you can't blame MS for your crappy router managment



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yeah but why would MS do that? they won't make anu money from it


Client pays for game -> Connects to Dedicated Server

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yeah but why would MS do that? they won't make anu money from it


Client pays for game -> Connects to Dedicated Server

:rolleyes:


overheads you idiot :olo:



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Client runs Linux servers / Cost To MS = Zero

:rolleyes:
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iluvquake4 wrote:
Client runs Linux servers / Cost To MS = Zero

:rolleyes:


lol you just don't get it do you :olo:



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It's difficult to translate "retard" to English. Your posts are incoherent.
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The MP is so fucking inconstant it's gay.



P2P

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iluvquake4 wrote:
Client runs Linux servers / Cost To MS = Zero

:rolleyes:


cost of admins? (Linux doesn't just magically fucking work douche)
cost of hardware?
cost of bandwidth?
cost of power?

what the fuck are you talking about?
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It's difficult to translate "retard" to English. Your posts are incoherent.


Lol some little prick sat in his bedroom schooling a company that more or less started computing and networking today as we know it.
But don’t worry! iluvquake4 has all the solutions for your network issue because it seems Microsoft can’t design the perfect gaming network that works with all manner of routers at no cost or which has no commercial value. Thanks kid, lets have it!



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iluvcock4, not only are you a prick, you're starting to give me a headache.

*adds to my ignore list*
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I’m about to sell my copy. Well pissed off with MP. I just played someone and didn't win one game and I know I’ll play later and win them all. The MP is so fucking inconstant it's gay.


:olo: owned!


Keep trying.

And if you need to see owned, I can refer you to an example.
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Games Using Dedicated Servers:

http://archive.gamespy.com/stats/

Clans pay for servers, admin servers, etc.

Welcome to the Internet.

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iluvquake4 wrote:

Clans pay for servers, admin servers, etc.





lol, cost = zero :olo:

moron



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iluvquake4 wrote:
Client runs Linux servers / Cost To MS = Zero

:rolleyes:


Jesus christ you moron - you think OS cost is the only overhead to having enough dedicated servers to handle the entire LIVE community?

And how much would we have to increase LIVE fees to handle the increased cost to M$?




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hahahaha



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can we keep this about gow and ditch Uncle's favorite toy?



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this will work

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Players could run the dedicated server software on their PCs, or rented PCs, or from game server hosts.

Live could list the dedicated servers. Players can join the servers.

You can run a dedicated server and list it, or join a P2P session (just like now).

It would be no different than how it's done for all the online PC games such as Quake 3, Enemy Territory, Quake 4, etc, etc.

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btw: i noticed the bullshit lag in GOW and how the person hosting almost always owns everyone... solution? host the games and zero ping shotgun everyone.
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Exactly, a dedicated server software would prevent the zero ping issue and you could run it in a datacenter for very good bandwidth to all players in a given location. The server could stay up 24/7 and even contain stats or persistent options. Since the server would not be in in 'listen mode' it would run much more optimal than a P2P session where everyone's machine is dedicating most of the resources to running graphics, sound, AI, etc.




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iluvquake4 wrote:
Players could run the dedicated server software on their PCs, or rented PCs, or from game server hosts.

Live could list the dedicated servers. Players can join the servers.

You can run a dedicated server and list it, or join a P2P session (just like now).

It would be no different than how it's done for all the online PC games such as Quake 3, Enemy Territory, Quake 4, etc, etc.

:icon27:


sure :olo: lets network mr unclean's PC to the MS live network :olo: I'm sure it'll look after itself and the cost of writing server software etc won't add anything to the game/live price.

stupid little boy

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It would be up to the developer to develop the server side software. MS wouldn't have to pay for it. UT and UT2k4 have dedicated server software for Windows and Linux. It would be up to Epic do this. Most likely if they do a PC port of GOW, there will be dedicated server software. If they can release that to allow Live connections, it would help the online portion of the 360 gameplay tremendously. Perhaps even a server side option -- PC/360/Both.
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It would be up to the developer to develop the server side software. MS wouldn't have to pay for it. UT and UT2k4 have dedicated server software for Windows and Linux. It would be up to Epic do this.


the developer would have to pay something for the use of the live network. don't think MS would just give up that little gem, it's like it is for a reason.

i'm done with you.



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Of course the developer would have to pay. However, it would streamline and make the online gameplay much more efficient. Being that GOW is a title that promotes the purchase and use of the 360, I'm sure MS would give Epic some flexibility, particulary if GOW is released as a Vista game as well. It would be a great promo -- get Vista and play GOW with your 360 friends, etc.
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iluvquake4 wrote:
Players could run the dedicated server software on their PCs, or rented PCs, or from game server hosts.

Live could list the dedicated servers. Players can join the servers.

You can run a dedicated server and list it, or join a P2P session (just like now).

It would be no different than how it's done for all the online PC games such as Quake 3, Enemy Territory, Quake 4, etc, etc.

:icon27:



PS2 did this with SOCOM and it sucked royally.
The proof is in the pudding, pudding.
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The PS2 network was nowhere near as efficient and easy to use as Live is. If there were dedicated servers, a lot of bandwidth overhead of hosting a session would be relieved as well.
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If halo 2's online play was adapted for gears of war, then that would be good.

I still haven't played gow yet thoguh
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iluvquake4 wrote:
The PS2 network was nowhere near as efficient and easy to use as Live is. If there were dedicated servers, a lot of bandwidth overhead of hosting a session would be relieved as well.


wow, you're a fucking idiot

please go away and never come back
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