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PostPosted: 10-01-2014 02:53 PM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Most blogs suck, but I enjoyed this read. Thought I'd share. I've read some stuff about this paradox before, but this breaks it down into each possibility. Just curious, what possibility do you favor?

http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/05/fermi-paradox.html#
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nice link. last I checked we are not even type I yet... we are more like type 0.75

As for other civilizations out there....who knows, most of those possibilities are plausible, while others relatively far fetched.

One thing is for sure, the more we learn about our universe the more likely it seems that we are not the only ones in the Type scale.
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PostPosted: 10-01-2014 06:56 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Interesting read, thanks for the link :)



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PostPosted: 10-01-2014 07:41 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Yes a great article.

I have to say I love the line "Welcome to the Fermi Paradox".
Mysterious and captivating in its own way.

I am going to read this through a couple of times but firstly throw you a big thanks xer0s :up:



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PostPosted: 10-01-2014 09:30 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


I favor the posibility in which I can live happily in The Singularity before I die.

Also his blog post about putting time in perspective was interesting. Particularly trippy was learning that the oldest living person's birthday is closer to when Washington took office than it is to today. She's been alive for half of American history. :ducky:



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That post re time in perspective :eek:

Heavy read first time through but worth it. The Drake Equation and the Great filter, both very interesting and I hope We’re Rare (The Great Filter is Behind Us) :)



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good article :up:

didn't mention another possibility (at least not specifically): that warp drive is actually impossible, hence long-range exploration by any civilisation is out of the question, hence there may be zillions of civs out there all stuck on isolated planetary islands
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Transient wrote:
I favor the posibility in which I can live happily in The Singularity before I die.


I don't see how any of us will be living "happily" during the singularity. It could in fact be the proverbial Great Filter...
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seremtan wrote:
good article :up:

didn't mention another possibility (at least not specifically): that warp drive is actually impossible, hence long-range exploration by any civilisation is out of the question, hence there may be zillions of civs out there all stuck on isolated planetary islands


Yeah, and this possibility is quite depressing... :disgust:
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PostPosted: 10-02-2014 10:59 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


warp drive is possible...morons...
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Please, enlighten us...
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no thx...im going for a dip in the pool...
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PostPosted: 10-02-2014 12:02 PM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


k im back...check out this video...

http://youtu.be/BwFek4V5aP4
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seremtan wrote:
good article :up:

didn't mention another possibility (at least not specifically): that warp drive is actually impossible, hence long-range exploration by any civilisation is out of the question, hence there may be zillions of civs out there all stuck on isolated planetary islands


Yes the last words ".. out there all stuck on isolated planetary islands... " reminds me of another possibility that sticks in my head and reminds me, hey, and I am no religious freak, this is also known as The God Quarantine :eek:



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xer0s wrote:
Transient wrote:
I favor the posibility in which I can live happily in The Singularity before I die.


I don't see how any of us will be living "happily" during the singularity. It could in fact be the proverbial Great Filter...


The Singularity could mean human transcendence into a higher lifeform beyond our physical bodies, and maybe why we haven't been able to contact other life. Once they reach a certain technical knowledge, they achieve infinite knowledge and break free from the confines of the universe itself.

http://www.dailydot.com/opinion/transce ... tion-real/



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I don't know about breaking away from the universe. But I suppose that if we ever evolved to this stage of intelligence, I can see how the very nature of being human would be eliminated. We have an instinctive drive and passion to explore the unknown. So if we have an unlimited amount of knowledge, we wouldn't have that same urge to reach out to other worlds and other parts of the universe, because we already have the knowledge and could experience everything in our mind. So maybe that's why we don't see any other intelligent life reaching out to us...

Hope that makes sense. I was just typing while I was thinking and I've drinking pumpkin beer. Love this time of year...
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scared? wrote:
k im back...check out this video...

http://youtu.be/BwFek4V5aP4


grow up kid...
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there will never be a time where all is known... there will always be something to discover / understand / achieve and accomplish.

the more you know the more questions seem to pop up. there will be answers to questions we don't even know we wanted to ask yet. and I think that will never end. Permutations based on such questions and permutations based on those permutations and ....

And if there is such a thing as knowing everything , it's just too far away for us to be concerned about...maybe the answers to those questions will give us a better basis upon which we can have this philosophical conversation again, because our concerns on the subject today may be laughably insignificant at that point.

I'm suspecting, by the time we reach that, our concern about losing our humanity wouldn't even be a conversation point, so enjoy your humanity while there is still so much to discover.
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What the fuck. Are you people on drugs or something?
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you appear to be the first dutchie ITT so no
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lol xer0s



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seremtan wrote:
good article :up:

didn't mention another possibility (at least not specifically): that warp drive is actually impossible, hence long-range exploration by any civilisation is out of the question, hence there may be zillions of civs out there all stuck on isolated planetary islands


That's what I also thought, but could also be what he's talking about when he mentions the 'Great Filter'. I also liked it when he talked about simple cells that can also be seen in the 'putting time into perspective' blog and figured that must have been quite some 'barrier' to cross in evolution terms because of the sheer length of time it took to grow a nucleus, thinking that could be another huge factor. I also liked how fast populations can spread through the galaxy if they could overcome the distance to travel from planet to planet, it's kinda like saying time travel's impossible because no one from the future has come visited.

In short though - it could be something we can't even comprehend and keeps it quite vague when explaining his theories because of what a bunch of clueless monkeys we actually are, there's probably a boatload more too. Doesn't make it any less interesting, I enjoyed the theories in a sci fi kinda way, cheers Xeros :up:



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