Dystopian America

[Transient]

Fox News has essentially been State Media for a while now. They don't even try to hide it. It's so obvious from their sycophantic interviews with Agent Orange.

[seremtan]

Nice one, Faux News...

Fox News published digitally altered and misleading images on its website's homepage Friday that made a demonstration in Seattle, in which a group of largely peaceful Black Lives Matter protesters have occupied six city blocks, appear violent and dangerous.
The deceitful tactic was called out by The Seattle Times. The local newspaper reported that when it asked Fox News about the images, the network removed them.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/13/medi ... index.html

https://imgur.com/0HJypvE

[YourGrandpa]

(edit: this post is in reply to YGP, not Transient)

There is clear and irrefutable proof that the police in general has a problem with negative race based prejudices and biases (aka: racism). I don't understand how, at this point, after everything that's been shown and done the past two weeks, you can still deny this.
Pointing out institutional racism in the police force won't fix it, but it's a start for action. In some places, action is being taken, further cementing the fact that there is a problem and it's large enough to need fixing. But in the police ranks, there's a secondary problem, and this is that cops are rarely if ever held accountable. Their racist behavior isn't corrected. In some cases, it's even implicitly encouraged.

Arguing that they're also doing good things is just... Jesus Christ man, it's such a red herring bullshit argument to throw in, it's actually quite distasteful at this point.

Even more distasteful is to claim it's a problem of "respect" on "both sides". That shit is just so detached from reality. I can just about hear Trump talk about Charlottesville again.

I'm thinking between you and Whiskey, he's probably the least racist of the two.

I love this new notion that if you don't march in lockstep with the media latest directive, you're a racist. Talk about distasteful. Listen, you've clearly eaten the shit all the way up to the asshole. So further discussion of this topic is pointless. You'll likely get the reactionary legislation you want, but it's not going to change the human component. People aren't going to suddenly become more compassionate or cooperative as a result. What will likely happen is people will simply avoid law enforcement as a profession because it's to difficult to preserve their own life while defending others... I hope you're ready what comes next, because you asked for it.

[Transient]

Again with the black-and-white world view. You are completely and totally incapable of (or unwilling to engage in) nuance. Instead, you claim the conversation here is pointless and give up. How convenient for you. Even though there are countless examples of police reform and bias training decreasing police violence and insitutional racism on a local level, you still insist that people can't change? That sounds to me like projection.

And if a potential cop decides not to join the force because he's afraid he might get blowback for using excessive force, that person can fuck right off and become a mall cop or a bouncer or something. The police force doesn't need a coward like that, and the streets will be safer for it. Cops know full well when they join the force that they are putting their lives at risk, it's part of the job desciption. They are held to a much higher standard because they're given a fucking gun.

Fun fact: loggers, roofers, truck drivers, and farmers all have higher workplace fatalities than cops. I don't see them quaking in their boots.

[Captain]

Gwamps should prove his love of cops by trying to hug every one of them. From behind. At night.

[Eraser]

The whole notion that cops should fear for their lives is questionable at best.

[Foo]

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[YourGrandpa]

The whole notion that cops should fear for their lives is questionable at best.

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Questionable? What bubble do you live in?

[scared?]

Lol obviously Gramps u have never taken statistics..ur the one in the bubble. You show 2 examples... One not even in America.
Police officers have safe jobs. They don't even make any list of top dangerous jobs... Not even close

[scared?]

Also, fuck u...

[Eraser]

lol, when even Geoff chimes in to put you in your place it's time to just give up and admit defeat.

[seremtan]

the curse of the 21st century: "it only happened if there's footage" :dts:

[Captain]

lol owned by goofrey

Fuck off back to your lonely bog, yourswampa

[xer0s]

Why is no one talking about the hazards of office workers? I’ll give a couple great examples:

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#officelivesmatter

[YourGrandpa]

Lol obviously Gramps u have never taken statistics..ur the one in the bubble. You show 2 examples... One not even in America.
Police officers have safe jobs. They don't even make any list of top dangerous jobs... Not even close

Spoken like a true dish washer. Since it's not the most dangerous, it's not dangerous?

According to the FBI your odds of dying by police (during an arrest) is approximately 1 in 8,000. According to the National Safety council it is more likely that you die from bicycling, choking, fire, drowning, motorcycle or simply walking. So by your logic, we don't have an issue with police. :dork:

[YourGrandpa]

lol, when even Geoff chimes in to put you in your place it's time to just give up and admit defeat.

Yeah, he sure put me in my place... Right at the top.

Idiots.

[Don Carlos]

Lol obviously Gramps u have never taken statistics..ur the one in the bubble. You show 2 examples... One not even in America.
Police officers have safe jobs. They don't even make any list of top dangerous jobs... Not even close

Spoken like a true dish washer.

:olo: :olo: :olo:

Got me

[Eraser]

Lol obviously Gramps u have never taken statistics..ur the one in the bubble. You show 2 examples... One not even in America.
Police officers have safe jobs. They don't even make any list of top dangerous jobs... Not even close

Spoken like a true dish washer. Since it's not the most dangerous, it's not dangerous?

According to the FBI your odds of dying by police (during an arrest) is approximately 1 in 8,000. According to the National Safety council it is more likely that you die from bicycling, choking, fire, drowning, motorcycle or simply walking. So by your logic, we don't have an issue with police. :dork:

The secret to winning a discussion is to come up with arguments that support your views, not contradict them :dork:

[Captain]

https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/statu ... 8086422528

In this video we see a brave, handsome American police officer grab a detained women's breast, who then breaks away not wanting to be groped and gets shot point blank by rubber bullets and beaten by batons with 4 equally brave, handsome American police officers surrounding her while they shove another woman to the ground.

Gwamp the blubbering blockhead is the epitome of what's so wrong about his disgusting third-world shithole and the cowardly cartel of fatass cops he loves so much.

Oh and Whiskey, if you're still lurking, here's some footage of property damage that should piss you off. The criminals doing this should be shot too, right?

[youtube]5wk-mRv1Nlo[/youtube]

[Eraser]

https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1268391718086422528

Wow, she stands there taking the beating like a goddamn Boromir. That takes some balls.

Sickening how the groping cop calls out to "hit her, hit her" and his buddies just go full on Predator on her.

edit:
the rest of that Twitter thread is filled with similar stuff by the way. Unbelievable.
Idiots like YGP who still claim these are just incidents and there's no problem are totally disconnected from reality.

edit2:
oh shit, I didn't realize this guy was numbering the incidents.
So far I've scrolled down to #240. Not even at the end

[Ferrao10]

In Germany we are just having a political discussion about crossing out the word "race" in our constitution.
Well, we don't really have a constitution but we have a "Grundgesetz" which is pretty much the same thing.

Some of our parties would like to change the term. AFAIK it's not quite clear what the new term should be. I'd go for "ethnicity". I think that's as good a compromise as you could have for the time being. It should change even farther in the years coming.

Changing a constitution or a Grundgesetz is a pretty decent act. Keep that in mind please.

[Eraser]

GitHub's entering PC madness by abolishing the term "master":

https://www.zdnet.com/article/github-to ... eferences/

[Ferrao10]

didn't read.
Sudo?

read.
Pretty laughable really. Talking about symantics in an abstract environement.

There's no such thing as race in bilology though.

[Κracus]

Ok that's going a little too far imho...

[YourGrandpa]

Sickening how the groping cop calls out to "hit her, hit her" and his buddies just go full on Predator on her.

edit:
the rest of that Twitter thread is filled with similar stuff by the way. Unbelievable.
Idiots like YGP who still claim these are just incidents and there's no problem are totally disconnected from reality.

There are thousands and thousand of positive interaction every day, but that doesn't fit your narrative.

I guess you need to make shit up to win your arguments. I never said there was "no problem". There certainly is a problem. However, it not entirely a policing problem. It's a human problem. People have a natural fight or flight instinct that makes them do irrational things when they feel threatened. At times, this makes for tragic interactions between police and the public. Until you can remove the human condition from law enforcement bad things are going to happen.

Have you ever been on a ride along? Have you had detailed conversations with a law enforcement officer? Do you ever wonder why you think an officers actions are a bit harsh or abrupt when dealing with irrational or combative people? Have you ever done or watched any self defense training? Do you know how quickly you could be on the opposite end of a gun, maybe your own? Do you know how fast someone with a weapon can close the distance between you and them? One false move, one command ignored, one fraction of a second and you could be dead. Go to work every day with that in the back of your head... Why don't officers deserve the same respect as the citizens they protect. They have families that they want to go home to at the end of the day. They don't want to be risking their life every time they write a traffic citation. But they are.

I'm certain you and most people like you don't have a clue how difficult it is to be a police officer and make the best/right decision EVERY time while facing danger. Being the waste of skin that you are, I'm sure you don't care.