Dystopian America

[Transient]

He got so excited by the prospect of 'getting' me that I don't think he even bothered to read past the comma in his copy/pasted definition. :olo:

[YourGrandpa]

That wasn't a dodge, that was my point the whole time, hence the :dork: icon. Instead of taking your definition of racism from Merriam-Webster, maybe try talking to a black person.

Of course it was a doge. You didn't answer one of the questions... I think it's better to understand the actual meaning of the word instead of attempting to change it to fit your narrative.

He got so excited by the prospect of 'getting' me that I don't think he even bothered to read past the comma in his copy/pasted definition. :olo:

Isn't that cute. He thinks I give a shit about little ol' him. :olo:

[Eraser]

YGP continues to ignore the points he can't refute.

[YourGrandpa]

blah, blah blah some LEOs and people are racist

No shit captain obvious. I agree. Do you feel better now that I've recognized you?(I also watched the video) But police aren't fundamentally racists simply because they are police. Only a moron would deduce that.

[YourGrandpa]

Lol Gramps is racist... And a trumpanzee... Predictably pathetic...

I didn't and wouldn't have voted for Trump. I'm not sure how anyone could vote for either candidate.

Are you a creepy sleepy Joe dumbo?

[Transient]

Of course it was a doge. You didn't answer one of the questions...

My one-sentence statement answered all of your questions, but allow me to hold your hand and answer it again. The premise of your questions is based on shit I didn't say. I never said "all officers are racist", I said the police institution itself is racist. Go back and read more carefully. There are many black and Hispanic officers who are racist toward black citizens, whether they realize it or not, in the ways already articulated by Eraser above.

I think it's better to understand the actual meaning of the word instead of attempting to change it to fit your narrative.

You laid it out pretty clearly yourself, there, buddy.
"Racist: a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another."

Isn't that cute. He thinks I give a shit about little ol' him. :olo:

Well you certainly don't give a shit about reading your own post, because you undermined your point with your own definition. :olo:

[YourGrandpa]

durh...

How can an institution be racist? That's like saying a car is racist. :olo:

When you say an institution is racist, you're saying the people that make up that institution are racist. If you agree all officers aren't racist, how many are? (Rhetorical, don't bother. You can't/don't know. Kind of the point).

People can't be racists towards their own race, ding dong. That's not how racism works. You can be biased or judgmental, but not racist. Do you really think that a black or Hispanic officers believe that the white race is superior? Come on... I know you want to be right so bad that you're willing to defend this ignorant position, but you're not.

[Transient]

How can an institution be racist? That's like saying a car is racist. :olo:

When you say an institution is racist, you're saying the people that make up that institution are racist. If you agree all officers aren't racist, how many are? (Rhetorical, don't bother. You can't/don't know. Kind of the point).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism

People can't be racists towards their own race, ding dong. That's not how racism works. You can be biased or judgmental, but not racist. Do you really think that a black or Hispanic officers believe that the white race is superior? Come on... I know you want to be right so bad that you're willing to defend this ignorant position, but you're not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internalized_racism

[Eraser]

This discussion is stupid. It's all about semantics. At least, I hope it is. Let's humor YGP for a moment and assume that technically, the term "racism" doesn't apply here. Does that mean there's no problem within the police force? I think not. The problems are still there. Does a different label change anything about the situation or the required solition? No, I do not think it does.

So, gramps, what are you trying to argue here? Is it just about the terminology that's supposedly wrong (wrongly applied by hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people around the world), or are you actually arguing that because it can't be racism, there is no racism and therefore all the protestors are just, well, imagining things, or something?

[YourGrandpa]

It's not semantics. You're calling people racist, who likely aren't. This widely highlighted problem with policing isn't a racism problem or a police problem, it's a people problem. No matter how many laws you create or how much you defund the police, you're not going to fix the problem without fixing the people on both sides. People don't respect one another and that's the bottom line.

BTW, I'm not saying racism doesn't exist or isn't present in some police. But every day there are hundreds of stories you'll never see praising the harrowing acts of law enforcement. However, they're seemingly lost in the media frenzy for that one story they can sensationalize for more clicks or ratings.

[Eraser]

you're not going to fix the problem without fixing the people on both sides.

Ah, I see YGP has switched to victim blaming mode.

[Transient]

Where have I heard that 'both sides' thing before? Sounds familiar....

[Eraser]

(edit: this post is in reply to YGP, not Transient)

There is clear and irrefutable proof that the police in general has a problem with negative race based prejudices and biases (aka: racism). I don't understand how, at this point, after everything that's been shown and done the past two weeks, you can still deny this.
Pointing out institutional racism in the police force won't fix it, but it's a start for action. In some places, action is being taken, further cementing the fact that there is a problem and it's large enough to need fixing. But in the police ranks, there's a secondary problem, and this is that cops are rarely if ever held accountable. Their racist behavior isn't corrected. In some cases, it's even implicitly encouraged.

Arguing that they're also doing good things is just... Jesus Christ man, it's such a red herring bullshit argument to throw in, it's actually quite distasteful at this point.

Even more distasteful is to claim it's a problem of "respect" on "both sides". That shit is just so detached from reality. I can just about hear Trump talk about Charlottesville again.

I'm thinking between you and Whiskey, he's probably the least racist of the two.

[Eraser]

Nice one, Faux News...

Fox News published digitally altered and misleading images on its website's homepage Friday that made a demonstration in Seattle, in which a group of largely peaceful Black Lives Matter protesters have occupied six city blocks, appear violent and dangerous.
The deceitful tactic was called out by The Seattle Times. The local newspaper reported that when it asked Fox News about the images, the network removed them.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/13/medi ... index.html

[seremtan]

remember when Fox News illustrated a story about Anonymous with a clip of an exploding white van?

Really set the noggin joggin

[Transient]

Fox News has essentially been State Media for a while now. They don't even try to hide it. It's so obvious from their sycophantic interviews with Agent Orange.

[seremtan]

Nice one, Faux News...

Fox News published digitally altered and misleading images on its website's homepage Friday that made a demonstration in Seattle, in which a group of largely peaceful Black Lives Matter protesters have occupied six city blocks, appear violent and dangerous.
The deceitful tactic was called out by The Seattle Times. The local newspaper reported that when it asked Fox News about the images, the network removed them.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/13/medi ... index.html

https://imgur.com/0HJypvE

[YourGrandpa]

(edit: this post is in reply to YGP, not Transient)

There is clear and irrefutable proof that the police in general has a problem with negative race based prejudices and biases (aka: racism). I don't understand how, at this point, after everything that's been shown and done the past two weeks, you can still deny this.
Pointing out institutional racism in the police force won't fix it, but it's a start for action. In some places, action is being taken, further cementing the fact that there is a problem and it's large enough to need fixing. But in the police ranks, there's a secondary problem, and this is that cops are rarely if ever held accountable. Their racist behavior isn't corrected. In some cases, it's even implicitly encouraged.

Arguing that they're also doing good things is just... Jesus Christ man, it's such a red herring bullshit argument to throw in, it's actually quite distasteful at this point.

Even more distasteful is to claim it's a problem of "respect" on "both sides". That shit is just so detached from reality. I can just about hear Trump talk about Charlottesville again.

I'm thinking between you and Whiskey, he's probably the least racist of the two.

I love this new notion that if you don't march in lockstep with the media latest directive, you're a racist. Talk about distasteful. Listen, you've clearly eaten the shit all the way up to the asshole. So further discussion of this topic is pointless. You'll likely get the reactionary legislation you want, but it's not going to change the human component. People aren't going to suddenly become more compassionate or cooperative as a result. What will likely happen is people will simply avoid law enforcement as a profession because it's to difficult to preserve their own life while defending others... I hope you're ready what comes next, because you asked for it.

[Transient]

Again with the black-and-white world view. You are completely and totally incapable of (or unwilling to engage in) nuance. Instead, you claim the conversation here is pointless and give up. How convenient for you. Even though there are countless examples of police reform and bias training decreasing police violence and insitutional racism on a local level, you still insist that people can't change? That sounds to me like projection.

And if a potential cop decides not to join the force because he's afraid he might get blowback for using excessive force, that person can fuck right off and become a mall cop or a bouncer or something. The police force doesn't need a coward like that, and the streets will be safer for it. Cops know full well when they join the force that they are putting their lives at risk, it's part of the job desciption. They are held to a much higher standard because they're given a fucking gun.

Fun fact: loggers, roofers, truck drivers, and farmers all have higher workplace fatalities than cops. I don't see them quaking in their boots.

[Captain]

Gwamps should prove his love of cops by trying to hug every one of them. From behind. At night.

[Eraser]

The whole notion that cops should fear for their lives is questionable at best.

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[YourGrandpa]

The whole notion that cops should fear for their lives is questionable at best.

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Questionable? What bubble do you live in?

[scared?]

Lol obviously Gramps u have never taken statistics..ur the one in the bubble. You show 2 examples... One not even in America.
Police officers have safe jobs. They don't even make any list of top dangerous jobs... Not even close

[scared?]

Also, fuck u...