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PostPosted: 03-15-2005 02:48 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4348497.stm

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/interna ... 93,00.html



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PostPosted: 03-15-2005 02:49 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


this was already posted and moved to qwfix, for some reason.



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PostPosted: 03-15-2005 02:58 AM           Profile   Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


A bomb that spread radioactive material... yes. A nuclear bomb that was as destrucitve as the bomb the americans dropped on Hiroshima... no.
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would'nt that be classed as a "dirty bomb"
rather than a nuke?
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PostPosted: 03-15-2005 03:06 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


most of it is not supported by any kind of evidence:

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/interna ... 93,00.html
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PostPosted: 03-15-2005 03:08 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


Is this frontpage news in German, Pext?



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PostPosted: 03-15-2005 03:18 AM           Profile Send private message  E-mail  Edit post Reply with quote


I always wondered why the Germans never used weapons of mass destruction or biological weapons.



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Strangler wrote:
I always wondered why the Germans never used weapons of mass destruction or biological weapons.


no WMDs because.. well.. they werent invented yet :) at least not to its full. the US rushed them out and gave it a good testing on hiroshima.
it worked better than anyone expected



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Strangler wrote:
I always wondered why the Germans never used weapons of mass destruction or biological weapons.


Bio weapons never appeared til the 50s-60s.
Chemical weapons, they did use.
Gas chambers, remember?
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blood.angel wrote:
Strangler wrote:
I always wondered why the Germans never used weapons of mass destruction or biological weapons.


Bio weapons never appeared til the 50s-60s.
Chemical weapons, they did use.
Gas chambers, remember?


But never in combat. Some historians speculate the reason the weapons remained in storage is Hitler's personal experience with chemical weapons in the trenches of WW1.
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Ryoki wrote:
blood.angel wrote:
Strangler wrote:
I always wondered why the Germans never used weapons of mass destruction or biological weapons.


Bio weapons never appeared til the 50s-60s.
Chemical weapons, they did use.
Gas chambers, remember?


But never in combat. Some historians speculate the reason the weapons remained in storage is Hitler's personal experience with chemical weapons in the trenches of WW1.


Chemical weapons would have just been annoying because the troops were already well prepared after WWI. Even when chemical weapons were introduced in WWI they did fuckall.
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I doubt that.... Sarin was one of the next generation war gasses invented before WW2 - really deadly stuff.

Also, WW2 era Soviet Union and 'well prepared' do not go well together. :)
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I doubt that.... Sarin was one of the next generation war gasses invented before WW2 - really deadly stuff.

Also, WW2 era Soviet Union and 'well prepared' do not go well together. :)


Yeah but I doubt binary Sarin was invented then (too lazy to google) which has a shelf life of years. The 'ordinary' Sarin broke down in mere hours.
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I'm also too lazy to google. :(



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Is this frontpage news in German, Pext?


no - feuilleton
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Is this frontpage news in German, Pext?


Unlikely, its a fucking book.
The BBC is running it probably because they will have a program based on it soon.
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i find it funny how british and german tv are both obsessed with nazi stuff...
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Pext wrote:
i find it funny how british and german tv are both obsessed with nazi stuff...


History Channel is, what, 95% WW2 related?
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hitler didn't use chemicals in combat cuz he actually thought it was unsporting...even for war...

and he got muster gassed in ww1 and didn't like it...



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i find it funny how british and german tv are both obsessed with nazi stuff...


its the only really interesting bit of modern history that happened in europe :D



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blood.angel wrote:
Strangler wrote:
I always wondered why the Germans never used weapons of mass destruction or biological weapons.


Bio weapons never appeared til the 50s-60s.
Chemical weapons, they did use.
Gas chambers, remember?


the japanese had bio weapons... they were going to use them on the u.s.
they had a lab in japan cooking up a more potent strain of the black plague, and they were going to release it using fleas.
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the us had huge stock piles of chemical weapons in austrailia and were gonna use them if we invaded the jap mainland...



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busetibi wrote:
would'nt that be classed as a "dirty bomb"
rather than a nuke?


yeh...but no
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The flea bomb thing the Japs had? That was cool...kind of like how China tried killing their citizens with SARS after an experiment went wrong with biochemical weapons for a war against the United States....
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hitler didn't use chemicals in combat cuz he actually thought it was unsporting...even for war...

and he got muster gassed in ww1 and didn't like it...


so killing 20 million soviet civilians and 6 million jews and 6 million non jews in the camps wasnt unsporting?

by the way why didnt soviets use it? They obviously had obligations to follow the geneva convencion since they didnt sign it and they broke international rules anyway with stuff like the katyn massacre.



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Dr_Watson wrote:
blood.angel wrote:
Strangler wrote:
I always wondered why the Germans never used weapons of mass destruction or biological weapons.


Bio weapons never appeared til the 50s-60s.
Chemical weapons, they did use.
Gas chambers, remember?


the japanese had bio weapons... they were going to use them on the u.s.
they had a lab in japan cooking up a more potent strain of the black plague, and they were going to release it using fleas.


why didnt they?



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Strangler wrote:
Freakaloin wrote:
hitler didn't use chemicals in combat cuz he actually thought it was unsporting...even for war...

and he got muster gassed in ww1 and didn't like it...


so killing 20 million soviet civilians and 6 million jews and 6 million non jews in the camps wasnt unsporting?

by the way why didnt soviets use it? They obviously had obligations to follow the geneva convencion since they didnt sign it and they broke international rules anyway with stuff like the katyn massacre.


I would say that Hitler felt he was fighting worthy opponants but those he killed in concentrations camps were sub-human.
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Strangler wrote:
I always wondered why the Germans never used weapons of mass destruction or biological weapons.

Hitler hated Jewish science. As we all know, Einstein laid out the framework for the design of the nuclear bomb. Obiously Hitler would never listen to him, since he was a jew.
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and he got muster gassed in ww1 and didn't like it...


can't see why, i managed to construct some of that shit in chemistry and took a shot in the face, felt a little tingly but overall a pleasant sensation.

hitler was a pussy, i have muster gas on my cereal. bring it on.
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lol, the original hard man glossy,aye.
What is mustard gas?
A potentially deadly chemical agent that attacks the skin and eyes—and one of the best known and most potent chemical weapons. Mustard gas causes severe blisters and, if inhaled,
Mustard gas was first used in World World I by German troops.
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can also damage the lungs and other organs. It is usually disabling—sometimes gruesomely so—but not fatal. Unlike the symptoms of exposure to other chemical agents which usually appear immediately, the symptoms of exposure to mustard gas appear one to six hours or more later. This makes mustard gas especially insidious, since victims can suffer tissue damage before they even realize they need treatment. Mustard gas also attacks a cell’s DNA, so it can cause cancer and birth defects.
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bitWISE wrote:
Strangler wrote:
Freakaloin wrote:
hitler didn't use chemicals in combat cuz he actually thought it was unsporting...even for war...

and he got muster gassed in ww1 and didn't like it...


so killing 20 million soviet civilians and 6 million jews and 6 million non jews in the camps wasnt unsporting?

by the way why didnt soviets use it? They obviously had obligations to follow the geneva convencion since they didnt sign it and they broke international rules anyway with stuff like the katyn massacre.


I would say that Hitler felt he was fighting worthy opponants but those he killed in concentrations camps were sub-human.


Beside jews those in concentration camps were primary slavs. The 20 million soviet civilians his troops killed were primary slavs. the greatest war of all time that he raged with Stalin was with slavs and what destroyed him were slavs, so I see no reason he wouldnt use it against slavs.



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Both sides had huge stockpiles, and both knew this of each other. If one side would start using it, so would the other, and that was what they were trying to avoid.

Ideology has little to do with it.



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