Help with Mapping: CTF, AAS and Music Problems

[Gustavo6046]

Now I saw the log in the BSPC (it came with GTKRadiant and I didn't saw lol) and it says the map is leaked, but Q3Map2 don't!
Link to MAP of MyTest2 - my newest map

[Gustavo6046]

I saw the BSPC log:

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Opened log bspc.log
BSPC version 2.1h, Aug 24 2013 23:20:03
threads = 2
optimize = true
bsp2aas: C:\Quake III Arena\Quake3\baseq3\maps\mytest2.bsp to C:\Quake III Arena\Quake3\baseq3\maps\mytest2.aas
-- Q3_LoadMapFromBSP --
Loading map from C:\Quake III Arena\Quake3\baseq3\maps\mytest2.bsp...
   193 triangles
     0 patch tris
creating planar surface planes...
searching visible brush sides...
     0 brush sides
     0
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    a
   492 total sides
Win32 multi-threading
     2 threads max
depth first bsp building
     0 splits
BSP tree created in     0 seconds
------- Prune Nodes --------
   14 pruned nodes
---- Node Portalization ----
     0 nodes portalized
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     0 tiny portals

     0 KB of portal memory

     0 KB of winding memory

------ FloodEntities -------
WARNING: no entities inside
ERROR: **** leaked ****

Closed log bspc.log

I can't find any leak !! Please help!

[AEon]

Note entities inside of structural brushes (was it OK for detail brushes? forgot) tend to make the map leak, IIRC. Maybe that helps.

[AndyW]

I downloaded your map, compiled with Q3MAP2BUILD and had no problems.
Looking at the mapfile i just saw that you have placed a "BOT-ROAM" 1-Unit into the floor and that nearly every brush is sticking into another. Never ever use that "make hollow" Button!!!!!!!
What version of GTKRadiant do you have?

[Gustavo6046]

I am using 1.6.4.

[Gustavo6046]

Thanks ppl! The only problem now is that wireframe view. View is in "Skinned and Boxed", yes I have Intel HD Graphics on Windows 10, I still used the option of Intel cards on preferences, and still I view everything in wireframe no matter what I do! I am about to contact GtkRadiant author about this, and I am in a real need for help...

[AndyW]

Maybe buy a cheap used Notebook/PC for around 50-100$ with a ATI Chip and run WinXP or 7 and i think your problems are gone. The good thing on this is that you can use it for "editing-only" and wont run into "system-chaos" by tons of data- crap.
For that IntelHD: i think youre using a cheap Notebook or am i wrong?
Never had Intel GFX or Windows10 so im out for that.

[Gustavo6046]

"I need my own thread..."
My notebook is not cheap, but it dates some years that I own it.

[AndyW]

My notebook is not cheap, but it dates some years that I own it.

And a 500$ Notebook is just crap compared to a PC 500$.
Yaay, i also payd alot for a 386SX-25 in 1990

[Gustavo6046]

Bots don't seem to use the upper corridor, which is accessible by the jump pads.

[Gustavo6046]

Also the wireframe view remains!

[PaN61]

Also the wireframe view remains!

Go to Edit Preferences Settings Camera Render Mode

If this value is set on 'Wireframe' change it to 'Textured'.

[Gustavo6046]

There is no Settings in Preferences, and why the bots don't use the jump pads in my level?

[sst13]

... and why the bots don't use the jump pads in my level?

In CTF it's a very common problem that bots using only one route, ignoring all the alternative paths.
In FFA they're going mainly for the items. In CTF they are attracted more by the flags and choose the shortest path to go for.

[Gustavo6046]

It's the mytest2.map I uploaded, and it is FFA.
I wish every FFA map in Q3 had CTF support, and vice-versa, since Doom maps have both Singleplayer, Coop and Deathmatch support.

[sst13]

It's the mytest2.map I uploaded, and it is FFA.

"mytest2" don't have a jumppad.
I found one in "gusq3ctf2" and everything in this map is very tiny. Maybe it's to cramped at the jumppad area. Bots only use jumppads if they land safely on the ledge. Without bumping their heads.

You should make your maps in a much bigger scale. Give a little bit more space to navigate, for bots & humans.

[Gustavo6046]

Oh, I forgot I have to reupload mytest2.
It now have a HOM bug but no caulk, no leak.
New version!

[sst13]

It now have a HOM bug but no caulk, no leak.

Your ramp-floor & ceiling vertices are off grid. This creates the HOM when you enter the ramp. If you still stuck in this wireframe 3D view, you probably can't see it in the editor. Delete the ramp floor & ceiling brushes & rebuilt it by hand. (no CSG Subtract)

Note: Mappers should always turn on "r_clear 1" in Q3.
This replaces the HOM with a bright magenta. So you can see missing textures or in this case little sparklies where the ramp floor connects to the rest of the world. This often points to misplaced vertices or broken brushes.

There is also a small caulk-brush inside your BFG-balkony causing HOM.

Note: Do not use "Hollow" or even worse "CSG Subtract".
I know, with this functions, you can create stuff very fast. But the results are also very inaccurate. "Hollow" creates a lot of overlapping brushes with nasty z-fighting. "CSG Subtract" creates chaotic brushwork often with vertices off grid. (like your ramp)

Use instead: Clipper (X) or DragEdges (E) or DragFace (Cotrol+LMB) to manipulate brushes.


Bot jumppad problem:
Bots are often a little bit lazy. They don't wanna do fancy stuff to reach the jumppad like: jumping onto 2 ledges.
If you make them a small botclip-step between the 2 ledges, they will use it as stairs and finally reach the jumppads. (tested & confirmed)


Caulk behind the curve:
You should also put some caulk on the sides of the wall. Curves should not overlap other faces. Otherwise it will cause z-fights.
Example how to do it:

[Gustavo6046]

Oh thank you! I will try to make things by hand. Some safer way to make stuff quickly?

[AndyW]

Some safer way to make stuff quickly?

Yeah, its called: "routine" Or if you want you can pre-build stuff like stairs in a seperate map and copy/paste it or make it a model.
But start with the basics!

[Gustavo6046]

Ok. How to mark actors as suspended? Render mode doesn't seem to affect worldspawn brushes.
Released newest version (!), please align the jump pads, it is impossible at wireframe mode!

[Gustavo6046]

Did you enjoyed mytest2? Please send feedback on:
- What is wrong;
- What could be better;
- Suggestions in what to add;
- Email (for receiving update notifications).

[Gustavo6046]

Following the newest version, I made ramps instead, so it was easier for bots to use the jump pads.
I need themjump pads to be aligned as in wireframe I can't do it!
I also need to suspend the Invisibility powerup as it appears in the ground.
And the Render Mode only affect the non-brush entites, but no polys show!

[CZghost]

That's strange. What video card? There is a bug with ATI graphics that cause disappearing polygons wireframe view. There should be option in preferences that should correct the bug...

[Gustavo6046]

I checked that option much time ago. Happens I have an Intel HD Graphics. I forgot the rest.