The Cultural Implosion Catalogue

[Transient]

Sure, it's hilarious when conspiratards blame mass shootings on the government, but when she tweets "This is how patriarchy can hurt men too", whilst the corpses are still warm, two hours after the story breaks, we're supposed to care about the backlash she gets?

No, call a spade a spade. If she does wrong, call her on it. Just don't make the mistake of blurring the lines between messenger and message. She's certainly not the best spokesperson for the feminist movement. Arguably Anita does more harm than good when it comes to sexism in video games, but there is a problem in the industry, and it should be addressed. By a gamer. But probably not a dude.

Anyway so, some overly abrasive shit-lipped loser angily tweets 'Raaargh imma kill you and rape ur face bitchtits' or some such shit, which is of course, fucking disgusting behaviour, but why should this automatically make her the victim and immune to any other criticism?

How do you know that the tweet came from some 13-year-old twat instead of from some unstable nutbag with a gun and a car? The tweets should be taken with a grain of salt, sure, but they aren't all off the cuff. And it obviously doesn't make her immune to criticism; anyone who makes that claim doesn't have a leg to stand on.

I'll just wait for those examples of why video games are sexist and why it's even a bad thing.

One could pass the time with a good romantic novel, but it's all bloody lovey-dovey stuff. Like they're just made for women or something. Where are all the romantic novels for men? And all the covers are plastered in man-nips. These fucking sexist books are oppressing my gender! #slapthematriarchy

Ok ok, my use of "running rampant" is a bit melodramatic, I'll admit. There is sexism in games, though. Not always overt shit (but a quick wander through Steam Greenlight would say otherwise), but there are plenty of examples of gender inequality and sexism in games. More on that later.

As far as your romantic novel analogy, it falls apart immediately. I don't know if that example was meant to "take the piss" as you Brit weirdos like to say, but it goes to my point so I'll humor myself and respond. First of all, I assume there are romantic novels for men, especially in the age of Amazon and Barnes & Noble. But even if there weren't, the whole genre came about as a result of all the other non-fiction that doesn't cater to women. All the other non-fiction that uses women as a reward for the protagonist for triumphing over the antagonist, or as a prop to move the plot along, or overly sexualizes them for no particular reason, or whatever. If there was a good chance that any given novel you cracked open described all the male characters based on the size of their package, or implied they all had the intelligence of cavemen, or if there were only 2 dudes in the whole book, you'd probably tire of it quickly. There's enough room for all kinds of subgenres catering to all kinds of readers, and I think it's totally fair for there to even be a subgenre of novels dedicated to rape fantasy, BDSM and everything else under the sun. So long as it's not the only thing on book shelves. But that's beside the point.

There are more female gamers than men nowadays, and a lot of them are kids. Tens if not hundreds of millions of young adults who turn to video games instead of novels for their escapism and entertainment. Kids learn social queus, mannerisms, right and wrong, and so much more from the media they consume as they grow up. When you grow up seeing female protagonists dress in provocative, unrealistic and often times downright ridiculous attire, it sends a message, however subtle or subconscious it may be, which seeps into the mind of gamers. Lara Croft has been the media's favorite example of that, but there are plenty of others. When you have 1 in 20 games with a female protagonist, it sends a message that video games are for boys. When the reward for beating the original Metroid is an image of Samus without her suit, and beating the game on progressively harder difficulties reveals more and more skin to the point of Samus becoming bikini-clad at the hardest difficulty, it sends a message. When nearly every female protagonist has the same personality, body type and wardrobe, it sends a message. These messages aren't deliberate, of course, but they're insidious in their effect. That shit seeps in over time. It's not as bad as it used to be, but only because people like Anita bring it to light. When the game development community is made up of more than 90% men, it can have an impact, don't you think?

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

1. Your straw man arguments are absolutely retarded.

2. You describe yourself well in the above post. (the final paragraph)

[Captain]

Memph will be mowing down more hookers than usual tonight in GTA V.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

I don't need mud. You've done a fine job showing what you are about on your own.

Good luck with your catalogue and struggle.

[plained]

to be fair its 3 thing

shit piss spit

links

no u

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

Still can't write in sentences. ^

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

I don't need mud. You've done a fine job showing what you are about on your own.

Good luck with your catalogue and struggle.

I'm most pleased that you have managed to conclude your final righteous judgement of my soul, your great Indignancy.

I'd say it's more a judgement regarding your faculties and your ability to empathize with others.

[losCHUNK]

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[Transient]

You can't call her on it though. If you do, you simply must hate all women in the whole world.

I can and I will. And a vocal minority will accuse me of hating women. How many times does that point have to be made? I'm not going to worry myself with what a few impressionable morons with internet access think. I'll let you do all the worrying.

How many internet death threats are actually carried out? How many are faked, or greatly exaggerated to get hold of a victim card?

How many need to be carried out before the threat of killing someone becomes a serious offense? If that number is greater than 0, then death threats on the internet should not be tolerated, plain and simple. It's harassment. It's a form of intimidation. It's meant to silence people. It's wrong, dude.

I may despise her,

You really do have a hard-on for this chick, don't you?

Steam Greenlight is hardly gaming culture at large.

That's why I mentioned it parenthetically.

Yes, some immature devs are flagrantly sexist. I didn't buy MGSV, mostly because Quiet looked fucking ridiculous and I may as well have someone walk in on me playing some hideously awkward Japanese dating game, if she was ever on screen at the time. Capcom are also notorious for their stupendously idiotic costume designs. Notice how two of these most prominent culprits are of Japanese cultural origin? Can I start laughing yet?

Actual sexism in the industry on the whole, does get called out, as it damn well should. Stuff like the Dead Island bust, which was literally a pair of ornamental zombie tits, was not only childish, it was fucking retarded, blatantly sexist and everyone told them to get fucked. Also, look up the utterly cynical travesty that was BMX XXX - for evidence that sex does not sell games and those geared so greatly towards it that it's unquestionable sexist, go immediately into the trash without a second thought. None of that three strikes shit. No miranda warning. BAM. Into the fucking trash and done.

You sure do seem to be making my point for me, glad to see you came around.

If you believe in feminist dogma such as 'women as reward' (all recycled ideas from previous feminist movie critcs and the like), then I dunno what to tell ya, pal. Just because it's a trope, doesn't inherently make it sexist.

You can call it dogma, you can call it a recycled idea, and you can call it a trope. You're just equivocating. 'Women as reward' is not the only problem in games, and I gave multiple other examples. How many more would you like? Look, I'm not trying to say that game devs are sexist because they make chainmail bikinis. They may be catering to the market, or just designing what they like. But they should be aware of the impact it can have on their audience. Impressionable young boys see yet another example of women being treated as sex objects, this time possibly coming from a franchise they really love, or a dev studio they've developed a brand loyalty toward, and it normalizes it. Impressionable young girls see yet another example of female objectification and are reminded of how fat they are compared to the protagonist. But hey, at least it's a female protagonist! Mission accomplished, feminists can go home!

[losCHUNK]

Dude, 85000 women a year are raped in England and Wales. 20% of all women on that island report being sexually assaulted in their adult lifetime.

What was the pun?

Out of the 85000 (actually closer to 100k last I checked) people who have claimed to have been raped 'only' (relatively speaking) 1000 result in any convictions. Now the story made popular by far left movements is that police don't take it seriously but I question that. The police take it very, very seriously and I'd like to have some further research made into why 99% of people claiming to have been raped don't have a leg to stand on.

I mean in any other world, the other person who done the rapey rapes should be considered innocent and no rape has taken place. Why is it assumed that those 99% are telling the truth ?, I've seen 2 people claim to have been sexually assaulted, 1 of which ended up in Crown court with me as a witness, and both were lying whorebags. Those 2 are considered part of that 99% and we know this kind of mentality is becoming more commonplace as its left unpunished for fear of reprisal against the CPS when accusing someone of lying for rape.

[losCHUNK]

I hate mentioning it because In that 99% there are no doubt some genuine victims, the numbers are cloudy too when you actually look into it but it is still an insanely biased number. It's why I said I'd like more research done into it.

But from my point of view it's a biased system. The one that went to court - this assault was meant to have taken place on George street bridge in the middle of the day (Memph / Donny would know how laughable that is), but my mate was still dragged through a court case where his future was left in a Jurys hands.

Then to be told that he can't get his justice is fucked up.

[Eraser]

She must be doing something right if you care so much about her that you're getting all riled up about it.

[Transient]

Not in a university gender, or whiteness (yes, really) studies class you won't. You'd be out on your ear on assault charges before you could blink if you went off on her in any way a typical atheist would question a religion. Which is kinda the point here (how many times? etc...). we have established a vocal minority on the internets is not much a problem (funny how that doesn't apply to trolling), but that campuses have been becoming breeding grounds for such activists and it's now cropping up on the news, television, politics.

Some rare stupid college class would constitute that vocal minority I was talking about. Don't worry so much about them; those classes existed in the 60's and 70's, and the hippies didn't ruin everything. They were annoying, and I don't know about the UK, but we survived. And it does apply to trolling when people get doxxed and shit.

But if the thus far unconfirmed answer is 0, you must lick my balls. And I never once defended sending anyone death threats. I simply pointed out why she got them in the first place. Maybe the best way to not get killed is not to parade yourself around the internet calling people racist, sexist and whatnot else with no basis in the first place? Is that not also, harassment?

We both know the number is greater than 0. The point I was getting at was that even the possibility of the number being greater than 0 makes it wrong. You shouldn't be made to fear for your life by anyone for any reason. The violence of a death threat is in the fear it instills as well as in the act of carrying it out. I'm done with Anita, you're putting her up on this pedestal as if she proves that there's some epidemic of feminist harpy bloggers harassing men into silence across the internet.

I was indicating that actual sexism is historically often swiftly dealt with, be it via publications, or the gaming community itself.
Commonly, it goes like this: Game with pervy armour released > Players complain pervy armour is pervy > Pervy armour is patched out > Lesson learned for next time. Number of civilian injuries involved in this process... Oh, go on... Have a guess.

There's still sexism in games, just like most other forms of media, but things have been changing quite a bit in the last few years. Character design has gotten a lot better, there are more female protagonists, fewer stereotypes.

None, 'cos it's all bollocks. Possible, tiny shards of truth, wrapped up in so much bullshit it becomes devoid of all meaning.

You sound like you want to take your ball and go home.

[Eraser]

She must be doing something right if you care so much about her that you're getting all riled up about it.

Good, solid input there Trev. You truely have possessage of powerful thinkining of the mind.
No u, etc... etc...

Nah, I'm making a better point than you assume. Think by yourself why someone as supposedly insignificant and without authority as Sarkeesian gets you riled up so badly that you're posting walls of text about her on an internet forum. What has she done that you are scared of? What has she done that you are lowering yourself to the level of namecalling? If you know she's only spewing bullshit then it's not her you need to be afraid of.

Now, there is a true problem of sexism in the gaming industry. The number of non-sexualized women in games can be counted on one hand. Most female characters are used for nothing more than to further the male protagonist's cause, usually by putting them in a situation where they are made powerless victims (And I'm not pointing my arrows at Princess Peach and Mario here). When The Last of Us was being made, the publisher didn't want a female child front-center on the box art. When Life is Strange was being made, they couldn't find a publisher because it featured a (non-sexualized) female protagonist. Bioshock Infinite's boxart couldn't feature both Booker DeWitt and Elizabeth because of similar reasons.

I wholeheartedly agree with Sarkeesian that we're seeing a biased way of dealing with female characters in videogames. I do, however, disagree with the notion that this is to intentionally negatively portray women. I do, however, think that it is to keep appealing to this (IMO non-existant) male gamer persona who, in the eyes of industry execs, are still pimpled 16 year olds sitting in the darkened basement of their parents' house. I think it's important that people are made aware of these practices and become more critical of the content they are being served. Starting up a discussion about such a subject sometimes requires a controversial person to start saying controversial things.

We shouldn't take Anita Sarkeesian as gospel, but it's good that the discussion is starting to get some traction. The subject of misogyny and sexism in the games we play is cropping up everywhere and (and this is the most important bit) it's now being discussed by people who aren't hardline extremists like Sarkeesian and a lot more level-headed. Change may eventually come out of it and we might see more games that are more adventurous and not aimed exclusively at focus groups consisting of 16 year old males. That can only be a good thing.

[Eraser]

I simply pointed out why she got them in the first place. Maybe the best way to not get killed is not to parade yourself around the internet calling people racist, sexist and whatnot else with no basis in the first place? Is that not also, harassment?

lol? You call out people for being easily offended yet you feel harassed by Anita Sarkeesian? You must be quite a sensitive little boy at heart. I mean, look at how incredibly sad your post is. You play the victim card while it's Sarkeesian who's getting the death threats, not you.

Also, I can't fathom how you can explain why she got death threats. Tell me, Memphis, why did she get them? Because she had some unpopular opinions? Because she said things some other people didn't like? Jesus man, if that's reason enough to get death threats, then I really, really, wouldn't want to live in your fantastic feminisim-free world.

And to get back to my first paragraph, it's so funny (or sad, really) how the whole gamergate movement is calling out people for being too sensitive and too easily offended, yet it is exactly them that resort to making death threats against people that have an incompatible opinion. It just doesn't make any goddamn sense. It is because of GamerGate that Sarkeesian's videos are getting so much attention. If all these twats would've just shut their face and ignored her, no one would know who Anita Sarkeesian is.

And the same is true about all these other feminist/safe-space/etc preachers. Ignore them and they'll go away. It's the opposition that's giving them the soap box to stand on.

[DooMer]

If you wanna understand it you have to put yourself in the shoes of a minority. Imagine growing up watching tv and playing vid games where, if your race is even represented at all, they're rarely the main character or have some shitty supporting role that's really only there to bring in the 'urban market', which is a real thing. Even today, most video game's character creators can't even do a proper black skin color, it looks like fucking alien.

It's real easy for me to say that I don't give a shit about what the main character looks like, I'm a grown as man. As an impressionable kid it's a different story. You feel marginalized, like you're filling a role that society and the media has created for you. The only way to change that is to bitch about it a whole bunch, even if it's super annoying. It's not about taking away the things you like, it's about adding options. Even the people who do want to take away the things you like, which are few and far between, it's easy to understand why they're so upset. If I were black, I'd probably hate white dudes, no question about it.

Once things actually get better, and they are, then you will see less extremes on both sides. It's an inevitable boiling point just before big change.

[plained]

imo everybody has some type of descrim against them

for ex

unique
short
smart
smelly
quiet
ugly
good looking
unlimited thinking

not just shaded people or peeps with pussys!

imo the prob is the annoying samers (love-to-line-up-bum-sniffers) with tiny outlooks that bully and shame and campaign people into conforming into lame idiots.

[DooMer]

Once we get to a point where Scarlett Johanson doesn't have to play Japanese characters because Hollywood doesn't think they can sell a movie with an Asian lead, then we can focus on those things.

[plained]

imo that stuff is directly related

when people conform and weed those things out of themselves and genericize they get embittered, real embittered.

they start to subconsciously get the idea that everybody should think and do what they do and think and get real cra cra about it, totally illogical and inflexible and delusional to thier narrow mindedness.

imo i have never met a hater that wasnt racist.

its hidden

[losCHUNK]

Once we get to a point where Scarlett Johanson doesn't have to play Japanese characters because Hollywood doesn't think they can sell a movie with an Asian lead, then we can focus on those things.

It's Scarlett Johanson.

For your other post -

The flip side to your arguement is, if you turn it into sex's for a second, you end up with silly shit like our Labour cabinet having a 50/50 split of males/females to appease the voices of under representation. I've worked for companys that have quotas on the amount of minorities they should recruit just so they can say they employ X amount and are so diverse. That's fucking racist to me, like it's some fucking handicap ?

Drawing the race line in the 1st place is the problem, and wether its films or games, for varying reasons, should be allowed the freedom to chose as they wish without having to appease X amount of sjw's.

I hate this white privlidge bullshit like it's some modern revelation that we've all been stuffed up our own arse n all. It's almost a racist idea as it assumes all white people grow up under the same conditions. Black people can't graduate for being poor ?, welcome to the club digger. It also assumes a white person can't be the victim of racism. There's fucking loads but the long to the short is we all grow up within the same society that has a mix of many different races that are all represented to different levels who are exposed to different life challenges, including whites.

You might aswell replace it with the phrase 'at the end of the day...'

[DooMer]

Once we get to a point where Scarlett Johanson doesn't have to play Japanese characters because Hollywood doesn't think they can sell a movie with an Asian lead, then we can focus on those things.

It's Scarlett Johanson.

For your other post -

The flip side to your arguement is, if you turn it into sex's for a second, you end up with silly shit like our Labour cabinet having a 50/50 split of males/females to appease the voices of under representation. I've worked for companys that have quotas on the amount of minorities they should recruit just so they can say they employ X amount and are so diverse. That's fucking racist to me, like it's some fucking handicap ?

Drawing the race line in the 1st place is the problem, and wether its films or games, for varying reasons, should be allowed the freedom to chose as they wish without having to appease X amount of sjw's.

I hate this white privlidge bullshit like it's some modern revelation that we've all been stuffed up our own arse n all. It's almost a racist idea as it assumes all white people grow up under the same conditions. Black people can't graduate for being poor ?, welcome to the club digger. It also assumes a white person can't be the victim of racism. There's fucking loads but the long to the short is we all grow up within the same society that has a mix of many different races that are all represented to different levels who are exposed to different life challenges, including whites.

You might aswell replace it with the phrase 'at the end of the day...'

I don't know shit about the UK, but if the population is 50/50 between sexes, isn't it about right to have a split? Isn't the labour cabinet supposed to be a representation of the people? Are there specific people who you don't think are qualified or some shit? Lets say it was 90% white guys, you'd be cool with that, assume everything is on the up and up, and barely any qualified women want to be on the labor cabinet? Lets say there are no qualified women, wouldn't you want to explore that and figure out why that is?

The reason for affirmative action is because a lot of people are racist and sexist and will often opt to go with the white guy. This is only one of the many reasons why it's harder to be black and poor. If you're black and not in jail, hey you won half the battle. While affirmative action is a shitty solution, it's the closest thing to fair because you can't really stop people from being racist assholes other than mandating that they bring in a few black people. I mean, you can still have a bunch of white people, but hey how about some black people too? Maybe a less qualified black person will take a more qualified white guys job. Maybe an unqualified white guy will take a more qualified black guys job because of racism. All we got are numbers. Only 3 percent of twitter employees are black or latino? That shit doesn't even make sense...

It is what it is really. You have a group of assholes that rule the world, and have ruled the world for a very long time. Somebody has to look out for the underrepresented or the majority will take and never give back.

[losCHUNK]

I don't know shit about the UK, but if the population is 50/50 between sexes, isn't it about right to have a split? Isn't the labour cabinet supposed to be a representation of the people? Are there specific people who you don't think are qualified or some shit? Lets say it was 90% white guys, you'd be cool with that, assume everything is on the up and up, and barely any qualified women want to be on the labor cabinet? Lets say there are no qualified women, wouldn't you want to explore that and figure out why that is?

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.

The reason for affirmative action is because a lot of people are racist and sexist and will often opt to go with the white guy. This is only one of the many reasons why it's harder to be black and poor. If you're black and not in jail, hey you won half the battle. While affirmative action is a shitty solution, it's the closest thing to fair because you can't really stop people from being racist assholes other than mandating that they bring in a few black people. I mean, you can still have a bunch of white people, but hey how about some black people too? Maybe a less qualified black person will take a more qualified white guys job. Maybe an unqualified white guy will take a more qualified black guys job because of racism. All we got are numbers. Only 3 percent of twitter employees are black or latino? That shit doesn't even make sense...

It is what it is really. You have a group of assholes that rule the world, and have ruled the world for a very long time. Somebody has to look out for the underrepresented or the majority will take and never give back.

But this often ends up with innocent people being labelled a racist, or sexist or feminist. You can't cure racism by banning words or encouraging the racial segregation by widening the divide. There'll always be groups left out.

[losCHUNK]

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[seremtan]

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1 thru 9 - no problemo

10 - every segregationist and racialist ever has accepted that they're "still racist". why doesn't #10 just express its obvious subtext directly: "feel bad for being white"?

[MKJ]

Context: GeenStijl is a popular right wing website / medium (they do TV too) aimed at people <40.

When GeenStijl first started they pioneered this weird Ali G style of interviewing (ask a politician absurd questions then surprise him with a serious one, get a bunch of absurd answers and a statement someone would have never made otherwise. Presto, news!). Back then i was of the opinion this actually added something to the national conversation in politics, they were the only ones who could cut through the bullshit banalities every politician likes to utter. But media training has since adapted and this trick no longer works very well.

Then there's the website, which is even more poisonous then their TV stuff, it's just... it's weird. Over the years they developed their own lingo, they intentionally misspell certain words (which is then enthusiastically copied by the folks on their forum, which is how you recognise a sympathiser) and it's all very very angry stuff. By people who have nothing to be angry about; mostly young white males with jobs and an education.

Fun fact: both Dominique and Rutger are in fact master trolls. They are nothing like that in real life and are very aware of the crowd they attract and cater to.
Source: myself as Dominique's exwife and daughter are my neighbours and he's around quite often.
According to her it was the founding of the tv network thst broke them up as she would get harassed by bitter trolled people everywhere she went.

So I guess in the end he done trolled himself :f