Brexiting is closer than I thought it would be

[Don Carlos]

So anarchy (or no EU) is the solution ?, what are you hoping to build that's better then ?, ideally speaking - what would you replace government with ?. Just go back to the EEC or someshit ? (which isn't a replacement btw it's a trade agreement )

Why you going Geoff in your statements / answers ?

Also yes to Blue nose because he was bound by the EU and couldn't do stuff to the shit I was concerned about. I'd not vote for him in a million years without that protection

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Its a warped logic...

[seremtan]

compared to democratising it from the inside, like DiEM25 want to do? who's the naive one now?

Well, the idea of the EU collapsing after a Brexit sounds like delusions of grandure to me.

not really - it's what some people (like Varoufakis, for instance) are claiming would actually happen

But ok, suppose that happends, who would rebuild a european governing body and how would he/she/they make sure it wouldnt turn into EU 2.0?

isn't the problem with the EU that they started with government? i seem to remember Jean Monnet, one of the early architects of the Common Market, saying something about how if he could start again, he would start with culture, i.e. start building from the ground up, instead of what we have, which is the the roof down.

also, surely we can have free movement of goods, capital and people without needing a load of shiny buildings full of isolated quangocrats in Brussels or any other city? i think we can

[losCHUNK]

That's pretty much how the EU started tbh, when it was the EC and was basically a series of treaties, then everyone signed up to the maastricht treaty (which introduced the single market) and agreed to social reforms.

There will need to be a form of governance though, the UK has been slapped around more times than sense for busting the rules (including free movement / equal rights). Don't think you can have one without the other in a single market.

[losCHUNK]

Free speech in Britain, lol.

Anyone watch ballot monkeys during election time ?

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Theyre coming back for the EU - power monkeys

[Eraser]

not really - it's what some people (like Varoufakis, for instance) are claiming would actually happen

Varoufakis is a clown. Come on, you'll need more credible sources than that.

[Eraser]

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Stop posting fear mongering, cherry picking videos and articles as if you're making some kind of hugely important point.

[Don Carlos]

Stop posting fear mongering, cherry picking videos and articles as if you're making some kind of hugely important point.

It's in vogue, sir. It's all about the fear and who can yell the loudest rather than giving people some real and important information. People are easily suckered into it.

[seremtan]

not really - it's what some people (like Varoufakis, for instance) are claiming would actually happen

Varoufakis is a clown. Come on, you'll need more credible sources than that.

i don't agree with Varoufakis on this (or many other things), but lol @ thinking he's a clown. rich, coming from you

actually, i'd be interested in hearing about why you think he's a clown (and don't forget to cite those credible, non-clown sources!)

[losCHUNK]

The 2nd link - the one showing bias towards voters is literally an example graphic of a pen in the remain box

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OMFG STOP THE PRESS...

The 1st link n all says we should follow Norways model, who are a member in all but name (they follow the rules / pay in etc / agree to freedom of movement (:olo )) but have no representation....

4th and 5th link talks about David n all not doing the worst thing in the world, remember that this is a guy that pretty much killed off spending for Labour councils after the last election (could only find a recentish article) -

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... uncil-cuts

It's not the EUs fault the Torys are cunts.

Any issues with the BBC explanation in the 6th link ?... I ain't touching the 3rd link, it's just stuff

[seremtan]

vote to remain in the EU if you can't hold a fucking pen properly

[losCHUNK]

No who's the PC extremists

Be telling me its racist to have it in black ink next

[seremtan]

this isn't a referendum on political correctness you clowns

[losCHUNK]

Problems such as a pen in a box

[losCHUNK]

45% vs 43%. Goodbye Europe, we had a good run

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[seremtan]

remember when that poll showed a lead for the pro-Independence camp just before the Scottish referendum, and everyone shat themselves? and remember how it ended up at 55-45% to stay in the UK?

it's like deja-vu all over again

[plained]

lol no

[losCHUNK]

remember when that poll showed a lead for the pro-Independence camp just before the Scottish referendum, and everyone shat themselves? and remember how it ended up at 55-45% to stay in the UK?

it's like deja-vu all over again

I remember going to sleep one night thinking the worst I can wake up to is another coalition...

[seremtan]

you live in Wales. that's not the worst thing you can wake up to

[losCHUNK]

Haliwr

[seremtan]

that must have shocked the man in a hijab sitting on her right

[losCHUNK]

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[losCHUNK]

No one like the Tory calling the other Torys lying gobshites ?. That's like the Devil going "don't trust that guy".

Thought I'd plonk this here too

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[seremtan]

the way people keep focussing on Boris, Gove and Farage you'd think they believe that come June 24 and a Brexit vote, these three will actually be running the country like a triumvirate of stupid

[losCHUNK]

Heh, to be fair they are heading the brexit campaign ?

Any excuse to throw the boot in on those 3 n all (-Farage + Iain Duncan Smith). I absolutely detest them. Way more than Davey.

[seremtan]

in what way are they "heading" it? are they the generals who make the strategy? were they elected to that position?

suddenly we're supposed to care what these clowns think?