Guns n clubs

[YourGrandpa]

Well it will certainly be more difficult with citizens owning ARs than without. No?

[scared?]

Not really... They also have nukes...

[YourGrandpa]

America airstrikes and nukes it own country to enforce gun control. Interesting...

[scared?]

I thought it was tyrannical govt...

[YourGrandpa]

Are there no degrees to the tyranny?

[scared?]

Are there degrees of moron?...

[YourGrandpa]

There are degrees of everything.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... /85653484/

USA comes in 103rd out of 140someodd nations on the peace index.

Bottom line is gwamps cares more about keeping his guns than he does the huge mass shooting problem that liberal gun laws have created.

gwamps makes it seem like the second amendment provides for accommodation of any weapon but citizens can't own rocket launchers. Nor should they be allowed AR-15's (M16s)

As predicted, gwamps couldn't bear to admit that AR-15's are more lethal than other guns such as a 9mm pistol. I guarantee he jizzes with his gun colleagues though over how many turrurists they could mow down with those weapons when they are acting out their perverted power fantasies.

Clearly we have a case of babby dick syndrome and an attempt to overcompensate. Brian Elam I'm talking about you...

[scared?]

I wonder what would have happened if the Jews in Germany had guns stockpiled before ww2... ...

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

Probably the same thing.

[shaft]

No doubt Brian has a good laugh about tax evasion from the tyrannical government while tailgating at the local Trump rally also..

[Silicone_Milk]

A ban is an infringement on our constitution rights and will NOT go anywhere.

Are you suggesting that the constitution can't be altered with amendments

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

It’s An Honor To Continue Being Valued Over Countless Human Lives
June 14, 2016

An AR-15

Look, I’m not the type who needs constant validation, and I have never sought preferential treatment from anyone. I just try to focus on doing what I do and not get too caught up in what people think or say about me. But I have to admit, it’s been hard to ignore all the support and appreciation I’ve been receiving lately, particularly over the past several years. That’s why I want to take this opportunity to let all of you know what an absolute honor it is that you continue to value me over countless human lives.

I don’t want to get too sentimental or anything, but it really means the world to me how often you as Americans, through your words and your actions, make it known that I am more important to you than the lives of your fellow citizens.

You see, I’m just a humble lightweight, magazine-fed semi-automatic rifle; I never expected this kind of outpouring of affection.

Truly, from the bottom of my heart, thank you.

You see, I’m just a humble lightweight, magazine-fed semi-automatic rifle; I never expected this kind of outpouring of affection. But time and time again, you’ve shown me how much I matter to you. To see so many people—people who could be working to protect and care for human lives—actively devoting their time and energy to making sure I’m the one who’s protected and cared for instead—it’s beyond touching.

Don’t think I haven’t noticed all this. Rarely a month goes by without all of you pausing to weigh me against a certain number of lives—often a dozen or more—and quickly deciding I’m more worthwhile. Gosh, you must really, really love me.

I mean, wow, who do I thank first? I guess I’ve got to start with lawmakers. No one so consistently speaks up on my behalf, praises what I stand for, and does everything in their power to make sure no harm ever comes to me. These are individuals who have hundreds of thousands of constituents whose lives they could so easily put ahead of my interests, yet these principled elected officials steadfastly refuse to do so. Instead, they stick to their guiding beliefs and firmly declare that I—a simple modular rifle with high-capacity-magazine compatability—have more value than any number of human beings. It’s truly humbling.

What a blessing it is to reside in a society with such clear and unwavering priorities.

And here’s the thing: It’s not just one life that I’m considered more valuable than. And it’s not 10 lives, either. It’s not even 49 lives. It’s many, many hundreds of lives! Including children’s! Each day that I’m here and they’re not is another affirmation that you consider me more valuable, more sacred, more inviolable than all of them. Frankly, I’m not even sure what I’ve done to deserve such incredible treatment.

I can’t imagine it was always easy to hold an 8-pound aluminum-and-synthetic firearm in higher regard than the lives of your fellow citizens—after all, these are good people with rich experiences and families and dreams—but this country has always managed to find a way to put me first. Sure, there was that difficult decade beginning in 1994 when you decided that the lives of your friends, neighbors, and loved ones were maybe a little more important than I was. But you all responded in the best way possible in 2004: You were given the straightforward choice between me and untold numbers of innocent people’s lives, and you said resoundingly, “We’ll take the civilian version of a military weapon.”

And believe me, you’ve more than made it up to me in the years since. How many times in the past few years have you directly compared my worth against that of individuals who were, until recently, living, breathing, and experiencing life, and arrived at the determination that I’m number one? To be honest, I’ve kind of lost count.

Listen, I’m not sure if I’ll ever be able to pay you back for your loyalty and admiration, but I’ll try. I’ll just keep on doing what I do best.

Now, I don’t want to jinx anything, but considering how consistently you’ve favored me over the lives of your fellow Americans—for example, in July 2012, in December 2012, in December 2015, and on and on—I can’t imagine you’ll be altering your priorities anytime soon. So I just want to reiterate how truly grateful I am to the millions of you out there who regularly jump into action at the merest suggestion that any human life might be more valuable than I am, and who stand up proudly and say, “No, this particular device is far, far more important than someone’s child, than someone’s spouse, than someone’s parent.”

And after last weekend, I know I can count on you to do the same again.

http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/its-ho ... -hum-53094

[Transient]

Well it will certainly be more difficult with citizens owning ARs than without. No?

You gonna shoot down the planes?

[Don Carlos]

Sometimes you need to be outside the bubble to see the real issue and Gwamps is in that bubble so there will be no changing his mind.

[Ryoki]

Indeed. I'll give this one serious shot, then i'll leave it be.

Gramps, have you ever considered your founding fathers might have been wrong about the whole bearing arms thing?

There have been many nations with a high rate of gun ownership and a tyrannical government and i can't think of a single example where an armed struggle by the populace swiftly removed said tyrant from power or prevented a tyrant from taking power in the first place. Let's take Iraq in the 80's for example; every adult male in every household had at least one AK-47, but did it help remove Saddam from power? Of course not. What gives you reason to think there's any sort of logic or truth in the right to bear arms, can you come up with anything? Any plausible scenario?

My own personal solution to the US gun problem: confiscation would be ideal, but hard to pull off. Instead gun owners should be required to carry ruinous insurance and gun manufacturers should be able to be sued out of existance. You just need to get the insurance companies on board for this plan, make em fight the gun lobby. This whole mess can be solved bloodlessly by signing just a few laws and setting a legal precedent.

Glad to hear you're not voting Trump by the way, that's nice.

[plained]

i dont really feel it would be unconstitutional or unreasonable to limit these "assault gun"

good for military and police sure but just to have, eh nah

[DooMer]

It's not like 100% of the population would rise up against a tyrannical government. It would probably be a similar situation like we have today, part of the population would be for whatever the gov is doing and some would be against it. Not only do you have to compete with drones, bombs, and helicopters that can see through buildings, but you have to contend with your asshole neighbor who also has an AR15.

It's a possible, but implausible future scenario that gun ownership ain't gonna solve.

[scared?]

Turns out dude was in a documentary about bp 6 years ago... Scared?...

https://youtu.be/ExIhb5GEqWA

[Captain]

He staged a mass shooting in a country that has seen a 1,000 mass shootings in the last 1,200 days.

So basically he was ignorant, self-conflicted, racist, sexist, homophobe, had a sick admiration for authority and was obsessed with guns and violence, eventually acting upon all of that.

Sorry folks, but your supposed “Islamic radical terrorist from Afghanistan” is as American as apple pie made with homegrown apples and baked in an American made oven.

http://usuncut.com/politics/powerful-ex ... -shooting/

[YourGrandpa]

I love how people make assumption about you and argue those assumptions as if they were fact.

Where to start?.?.?.

I think it's worth repeating that I'm for stricter gun regulations. Ones that require training, education and mental evaluations. A better background checking system that allows for doctors to report mental illnesses and the FBI to report terrorist threats. All before we allow citizens to own high capacity firearms. That being said, I don't believe people should be able to own rocket launchers or nuclear weapons. There is an extreme difference between an AR-15 and a rocket launcher (an AR round doesn't explode). Unlike PuFF's desperate attempt to establish a substantial difference between an AR-15 and a mag fed pistol. But that simply speaks to his general knowledge of firearms, or lack there of. Personally I'd rather have a pistol in a close combat situation (like almost every mass shooting). They are compact in size making them easier to conceal and maneuver. Multiple pistols can be carried. Many of them have readily available high cap mags (30+ rounds) and body armor piercing rounds. The mags and bullets are smaller and lighter making mag changes quicker and easier. You can also effectively carry more pistol ammo...

So you tell me which gun you'd rather have... Ehhh, never mind.

Ryoki. I would argue that our founding fathers got it right for the most part. Seeing how the United States soared past the rest of the world and is still a place the world turns to for protection and aid. Additionally, the second amendment isn't only about the protection from a tyrannical government. It's also about it's citizens being able to protect themselves from all threats, both foreign and domestic. I think a better educated, better vetted society will provide better results than disarming law abiding citizen.

There really is no point discussing this here any further. Especially with people who aren't from the U.S. You don't understand the culture, you have a limited knowledge of firearms and you're not willing to compromise your line of thinking in the slightest. No matter how many graphs you posts or comparisons you make, you're still only guessing at what the outcome might be if a weapons ban was implemented. Because none of the so called "facts" are based on a country the size of the U.S. with the amount of firearms already in circulation. Furthermore, there are already many cities in America that have gun bans in place and a lot of them still have very high/highest gun crime.

I'm willing to agree to disagree as it is pointless to continue.

[xer0s]

Is Gramps voicing his opinion and moving on?

[Captain]

I don't need a gun as I don't live in a financially and morally bankrupt third-world shithole.

[Doombrain]

Jesus, we rest our case.

[Ryoki]

Ryoki. I would argue that our founding fathers got it right for the most part. Seeing how the United States soared past the rest of the world and is still a place the world turns to for protection and aid. Additionally, the second amendment isn't only about the protection from a tyrannical government. It's also about it's citizens being able to protect themselves from all threats, both foreign and domestic. I think a better educated, better vetted society will provide better results than disarming law abiding citizen.

...you're making gun ownership evidence for socio-economic progress now? What in the fuck?

There really is no point discussing this here any further.

I agree. You're just not making any sense whatsoever. Nice to have heard your opinion, but i'm moving on.