President Clinton

[Captain]

But, in a sign of possible unity, he said that the revelations did not change his endorsement of Clinton and again vowed to help her defeat GOP nominee Donald Trump.

Fuck he's dumb.

[Eraser]

But, in a sign of possible unity, he said that the revelations did not change his endorsement of Clinton and again vowed to help her defeat GOP nominee Donald Trump.

Fuck he's dumb.

What can he do? Say "don't vote Clinton" and subsequently watch all his supporters vote Trump instead?

[Captain]

Are you kidding? His supporters would vote for him if he ran third-party or joined forces with Jill Stein, even though he is nowhere near as progressive or anti-war as she is.

You don't start a "revolution" and support the establishment candidate after your own party cheated to ensure her nomination.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

He can't join Jill (by law) after running for the Democratic nomination but he could run as an independent. However he's missed the deadline to file in a several important states.

He doesn't have to roll over for Hillary though and it's sad that he has imo.

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

What can he do? Say "don't vote Clinton" and subsequently watch all his supporters vote Trump instead?

He could endorse Stein. Also I doubt too many of his supporters would vote for Trump even if he asked them to.

[Captain]

He can't join Jill (by law) after running for the Democratic nomination

I didn't know about that, I just know Jill said she would welcome him to lead as a Green candidate:

"I’ve invited Bernie to sit down and explore collaboration — everything is on the table,” Stein said in an interview with the Guardian. “If he saw that you can’t have a revolutionary campaign in a counter-revolutionary party, he’d be welcomed to the Green party. He could lead the ticket and build a political movement.”

IMO Jill is a better choice but the biggest mistake Bernie made was not telling his supporters to vote Green. It boggles my mind that he throws his support behind the party that cheated him out and the candidate that opposes every single one of his views. That's how you keep the establishment and the corrupt system going, Bernie.

Green Party's Jill Stein Wants To Be 'Plan B' For Bernie Sanders Supporters

http://www.npr.org/2016/07/24/487252170 ... supporters

[HM-PuFFNSTuFF]

I guess it's not as cut and dried as I made it out. There is what's known as the sore loser law but apparently it's been construed to not apply to presidential elections. It's varies from state to state though and again he'd also face the problem of having missed the deadline to file in many states.

[Eraser]

Are you kidding? His supporters would vote for him if he ran third-party or joined forces with Jill Stein, even though he is nowhere near as progressive or anti-war as she is.

You don't start a "revolution" and support the establishment candidate after your own party cheated to ensure her nomination.

Maybe he's afraid that drawing votes away from Hillary Clinton only enforces Trump. Maybe him backing Clinton was purely a tactical endorsement.

[seremtan]

^ almost certainly this. lesser of two evils

ffs mazda why are you so naive?

[Captain]

So, let me say first off, this is a problem that could be fixed with the stroke of a pen, this electoral system that tells you to vote against what you’re afraid of and not for what you believe. And, you know, what we’ve seen over the years, this strategy has a track record: This politics of fear has actually delivered everything we were afraid of. All the reasons you were told you had to vote for the lesser evil—because you didn’t want the massive Wall Street bailouts, the offshoring of our jobs, the meltdown of the climate, the endless expanding wars, the attack on immigrants—all that, we’ve gotten by the droves, because we allowed ourselves to be silenced. You know, silence is not what democracy needs. Right now we have an election where even the supporters of Hillary Clinton, the majority don’t support Hillary, they just oppose Donald Trump. And the majority of Donald Trump supporters don’t support him, they just oppose Hillary. And the majority are clamoring for another independent or several independent candidates and an independent party, and feel that they are being terribly misserved and mistreated by the current politics. So to further silence our voices is exactly the wrong thing to do. And I’ll just point out, Donald Trump himself is lifted up by a movement which is very much the product of the Clintons’ policies. The lesser evil very much makes inevitable the greater evil, because people don’t come out to vote for a politician that’s throwing them under the bus. And so we see houses of—the houses of Congress, we have also seen statehouse after statehouse, flipping from red to blue over the years as the Democratic Party has become a lesser-evil party. And Donald Trump is buoyed up by the policies passed by Bill Clinton, supported by Hillary—that is, deregulation of Wall Street, which led to the disappearance of 9 million jobs, 5 million people thrown out of their homes, and by NAFTA, which exported those jobs. That’s exactly the economic oppression and stress that has led to this right-wing extremism. So you can’t get where you want to go through the lesser evil. At the end of the day, you’ve got to stand up.

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/6/9/gr ... in_what_we

[Captain]

“I would say all Republican foreign policy professionals are anti-Trump,” leading neoconservative Robert Kagan told a group gathered around him, groupie-style, at a “foreign policy professionals for Hillary” fundraiser I attended last week. “I would say that a majority of people in my circle will vote for Hillary.”

As the co-founder of the neoconservative think tank Project for the New American Century, Kagan played a leading role in pushing for America’s unilateral invasion of Iraq, and insisted for years afterwards that it had turned out great.

Despite the catastrophic effects of that war, Kagan insisted at last week’s fundraiser that U.S. foreign policy over the last 25 years has been “an extraordinary success.”

https://theintercept.com/2016/07/25/rob ... y-clinton/

[seremtan]

*shudder*

i still think shillary would be marginally less delusional than trump

marginally

[John^Rocker]

Its okay if we stop layering our foreign podnuhs in hershey syrup and letting our dogs lick at them.

[Whiskey 7]

Much too long to read the topic and of little interest to me personally so I'll just say, if I were to vote there I'd vote for Hillary Clinton.

[seremtan]

so you'd vote for the blonde bombshill because she's not the blonde clowntard?

or was there another reason?

[losCHUNK]

Pretty much how every election works ?

[seremtan]

it's a legit question for anyone anywhere who supports Shillary: "give me a reason why that doesn't reference Trump"

[losCHUNK]

Aye, she may only have 1 thing going for her but it's a pretty big thing.

[seremtan]

"...and without referencing her gender."

[losCHUNK]

I'd like to see her birth certificate to confirm that

[Transient]

Well, she's at least competent. Trump can't say that much.

[losCHUNK]

Aye, I mean I'd take a Bush with hindsight involved over Trump

[Foo]

Well, she's at least competent. Trump can't say that much.

>was secretary of state
>cannot even into basic op-sec
>actively worked around the provided experts
>resulted in foreign powers having unfettered access to all communications of the secretary of state for her time in that position

Yeah competent.

[Transient]

And Trump invites Putin to hack into the DNC and release the info to journalists, affecting a US election.

Just because she's shit with her emails doesn't mean she isn't competent in other ways.

[Whiskey 7]

Well, she's at least competent. Trump can't say that much.

I would be worried, even on the other side of this small planet, if Trump had access to the nuke codes (yes, I know it wouldn't/shouldn't be that easy, hopefully)