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[xeno]Julios
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feedback wrote:This year, I put on almost 20 lbs of muscle without taking any protein, but I'm pretty curious about what gains I could make with supplements... just don't want to fuck my system up (or take anything restricted, I wouldn't be able to fight or compete because of screenings)
you still ate protein from other sources though right?

is it just whey protein that's tough on kidneys? Or protein in general?
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[xeno]Julios wrote:
tnf wrote:Jules will advise HIT. He seems pretty pleased with the results thus far, but I still respectfully encourage him to modify his training (unless his poundages on some lifts have changed since I last talked with him about it..).

Jules, I am curious as to the poundages you are at right now. I really think you have the base now to move towards some old fashioned strength training routines to build more upper body strength. Again, not meant at all to be an insult to HIT...
I think you're right - HIT is great for me since it only requires an hour a week in the gym, but i'm not progressing with the poundages. Been stuck at these weights for months on end. I'm thinking of upping the volume, but gdamn that means more calories :p

I've started adding more warmup sets to my routine recently, and i like the way it makes my muscles feel.

any suggestions on routines I could try? HST seems pretty good, but it's pretty high volume. Ever hear of doggcrapp training method?

Suggestions - something basic, none of this extensively researched, yet not widely practiced stuff.

A simple strength training phase of training.

Sets of 8,6,6,4 reps for a couple weeks, to failure on the last set for sure, with a couple negatives too. Then move to sets of 4 for a couple weeks for the working sets, then a week or so of pyramiding...10,8,6,3,1 or something.

There are a lot more details than this...we can discuss it later.
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Post by [xeno]Julios »

tx man.

so the 8,6,6,4 should be with the same weight? When you say move to 4 reps for working sets for the next two weeks, do you mean i should skip the 8,6,6 part? Bit confused here.

Also - gonna be jogging for a month regularly (training for a run mid june) - guess i'm gonna hafta up the calories quite a bit :p

any recommendations on how to split up the exercises throughout the week?
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Post by andyman »

How far is the run?
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[xeno]Julios wrote:
feedback wrote:This year, I put on almost 20 lbs of muscle without taking any protein, but I'm pretty curious about what gains I could make with supplements... just don't want to fuck my system up (or take anything restricted, I wouldn't be able to fight or compete because of screenings)
you still ate protein from other sources though right?

is it just whey protein that's tough on kidneys? Or protein in general?
Yeah, I eat a lot of chicken and fish, so I was getting natural protein through other sources. I believe whey protein specificly taxes the kidneys, maybe because you get excesses protein or maybe other things along with it that the kidneys have to filter out.
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[xeno]Julios wrote:tx man.

so the 8,6,6,4 should be with the same weight? When you say move to 4 reps for working sets for the next two weeks, do you mean i should skip the 8,6,6 part? Bit confused here.

Also - gonna be jogging for a month regularly (training for a run mid june) - guess i'm gonna hafta up the calories quite a bit :p

any recommendations on how to split up the exercises throughout the week?
No, pyramid up.

Pyramid to a weight you can just barely do four reps with...the fourth should be the absolute last one you can do.

Email me and we can go over it in more detail.


But as for a split - something real simple...we could do it a couple ways - for strength I'd advise doing your 'pushes' one workout and your 'pulls' another.

Maybe this:

Day 1 - Chest, tris, front delts
Day 2 - off
Day 3 - Back, Biceps, traps, rear and side delts
Day 4 - off
Day 5 - legs
Day 6 - off
Day 7 - off, or repeat cycle

If you are planning on lots of cardio, do it on your days off - but remember it will be tough to gain a lot of strength under intense cardio.

Then, as an example, here would be a chest workout

Let's say your 1 rep max on the bench is 200 lbs

Day 1 - Chest
Warm up - 10 mins on a treadmill, walking, to get blood flowing
2 sets of rotator cuff exercises (VERY light)
Flat Bench press
2 warmup sets of 15 - very light, just to get the feel
Set 1 - 8 reps of 135 (not to failure)
Set 2 - 6 reps of 165 (not to failure)
Set 3 - 6 reps of 165 (not to failure)
Set 4 - 4 reps of 175 (to failure), 1 negative at the end of the set
If you can get more than 4 reps, keep going, and record that, because you will bump the weight up next time

Incline Dumbell press
3 sets of 6-8 reps (to failure but no forced reps)

Weighted Dips
2 sets to failure

Lying triceps extensions (french presses)
3 sets of 8-10 (as many as you can do with good form, don't force these ones beyond failure without a spotter, you don't want to get sloppy and fuck up your rotator cuff.)

That would be it.

Now, the next week poundanges might look like this:
Set 1 - 8 reps of 140
Set 2 - 6 reps of 170
Set 3 - 6 reps of 170
Set 4 - 4 reps of 180 (to failure, with negative)
After this, add 1 negative with 15 lbs above your max (about 215...have a spotter, all you do is lower the weight to your chest as slowly as you can then have the spotter pull it...don't bother even trying to press it...all we care about is the negative here.)

After 2-3 weeks of that, we go to this
Set 1 - 6 reps of 170
Set 2 - 4 reps of 180
Set 3 - 4 reps of 180
Set 4 - 185 to failure
1 negative of 225 lbs

Stick with that for another 2-3 weeks, modifying poundages as you see fit (remembering that if you are easily getting more than 4 reps at that weight, you move up.)

Final week -
Set 1 - 5 reps of 170
Set 2 - 3 reps of 190
Set 3 - 2 reps of 200
Set 4 - 1 rep of 215 (keep going if you can)

Then, after peaking and increasing your max, you go back to a 10-12 rep phase for awhile...
modifying exercises...building some more muscular endurance...etc..

THose numbers are just estimates based on what I've seen in numerous strength building phases. If you want to get ultra scientific about it, you can look at the actual percentages of your 1 rep max you should be lifitng etc, etc,. etc...but to be honest, I have always believed that lifting should be a 'feel' thing. Keep a training journal...if your poundages are going up, you need to modify. But I think people have begun to over-analyze some of this stuff.

Let me know if any of this helps. Email me if you want to get into specifics - which reminds me, I am still supposed to email someone else a workout plan....
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Post by tnf »

feedback wrote:
[xeno]Julios wrote:
feedback wrote:This year, I put on almost 20 lbs of muscle without taking any protein, but I'm pretty curious about what gains I could make with supplements... just don't want to fuck my system up (or take anything restricted, I wouldn't be able to fight or compete because of screenings)
you still ate protein from other sources though right?

is it just whey protein that's tough on kidneys? Or protein in general?
Yeah, I eat a lot of chicken and fish, so I was getting natural protein through other sources. I believe whey protein specificly taxes the kidneys, maybe because you get excesses protein or maybe other things along with it that the kidneys have to filter out.
Nah, doesn't really specifically hit the kidneys moreso than others...whey is more quickly absorbed , which makes it good for post-workout shakes along with a readily absorbed carb.

Actually, I'll look into the differential impacts of various proteins on the kidneys to be sure...but I think it is just high protein in general that can be a bit taxing on them.
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Post by [xeno]Julios »

andyman wrote:How far is the run?
5k - but i'm incredibly out of shape in terms of cardio. Ran a mile on the treadmill with a friend a week ago - took me about 8 minutes and just about killed me.

Here's the run

http://www.city.toronto.on.ca/challenge/

check out the times for the winners for the last three years (a few 15 minuters ffs)
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Post by [xeno]Julios »

wow thanks a bunch man. I'm gonna hafta write this up and examine it properly. I might start this routine after the run, since I can ease down the cardio at that time. Besides - will be nice to start it on a lean slate :)

will email you if and when i have questions.
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Post by andyman »

good fucking god 15 minutes!!!!!!!!!!!!

Today I took a pt test (physical training)...it consists of 2 minutes of nonstop pushups, 10 minute break, 2 minutes of nonstop situps, 10 minute break, then a 2 mile run. All the events are judged as far as the correctness of a pushup/situp and they count the number you do correctly.

i was able to do 53 p/u, 80 s/u (i stopped at 80 cuz i didnt want to completely burn out my legs) and then did a 13:47 on the run. Not the best run I have ever done by a longshot...a year ago I could do it in 12:20 and have gotten an 11:17 once as just a run.

You should try it...if you do I'll post the rules that they give for each event

Edit: the guy ran a 10 minute 5K in 2002!!!!!!! Damn!!!!!!!!!!!
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andyman wrote:Edit: the guy ran a 10 minute 5K in 2002!!!!!!! Damn!!!!!!!!!!!
nah that ain't the same dude. btw my reaction was the same when i saw that 10 minute thing, until i looked him up on the web and discovered that he was...


a WHEELCHAIR ATHLETE!

look closer at the scoreboard - tells u he's in a wheelchair.
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Post by [xeno]Julios »

andyman wrote:Today I took a pt test (physical training)...it consists of 2 minutes of nonstop pushups, 10 minute break, 2 minutes of nonstop situps, 10 minute break, then a 2 mile run. All the events are judged as far as the correctness of a pushup/situp and they count the number you do correctly.

i was able to do 53 p/u, 80 s/u (i stopped at 80 cuz i didnt want to completely burn out my legs) and then did a 13:47 on the run. Not the best run I have ever done by a longshot...a year ago I could do it in 12:20 and have gotten an 11:17 once as just a run.

You should try it...if you do I'll post the rules that they give for each event
that looks like it would kill me hehe.

11:17 for 2 miles ... i can't really fathom that sort of performance right now. Leave me alone.
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way to ruin the thread guys
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me and my 20D

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[xeno]Julios wrote:
andyman wrote:
that looks like it would kill me hehe.

11:17 for 2 miles ... i can't really fathom that sort of performance right now. Leave me alone.
bahhh at least give it a try :icon34:
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Here's my jail pic again, so we can get what the mugshot idea.

Again, who was it that PS'd me into the cell...or was I really there...

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tnf wrote:Here's my jail pic again, so we can get what the mugshot idea.

Again, who was it that PS'd me into the cell...or was I really there...

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I did....
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Post by tnf »

Ah..I thought that's who it was, but wasn't quite sure.

Thanks.

I showed it to my freshmen and they actually believed I had been in jail. Now my classroom is much easier to manage.
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tnf wrote:Ah..I thought that's who it was, but wasn't quite sure.

Thanks.

I showed it to my freshmen and they actually believed I had been in jail. Now my classroom is much easier to manage.
Considering that your body is shadow-proof in that picture...
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Post by tnf »

Key word - freshmen
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feedback wrote:
[xeno]Julios wrote:
feedback wrote:This year, I put on almost 20 lbs of muscle without taking any protein, but I'm pretty curious about what gains I could make with supplements... just don't want to fuck my system up (or take anything restricted, I wouldn't be able to fight or compete because of screenings)
you still ate protein from other sources though right?

is it just whey protein that's tough on kidneys? Or protein in general?
Yeah, I eat a lot of chicken and fish, so I was getting natural protein through other sources. I believe whey protein specificly taxes the kidneys, maybe because you get excesses protein or maybe other things along with it that the kidneys have to filter out.
Protein is digested by little teeth in the lungs
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Post by Doombrain »

seza wrote:
[xeno]Julios wrote:great base there seza - what's your height/weight at in that photo?
thanks - all kayaking and genetics. i hit my home setup maybe once every month or two. i weigh around 140 and i'm 5'8" 1/2.
oh shit, don't forget the half :lol: :lol:
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Post by Pauly »

As this is now just boring chat I will unsticky it.
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Post by Billy Bellend »

it goes like this.

one big bite of chickin, stuff mouth with spinnach leaves, then one bite of fish, stuff moth with spinnach leaves, then one bite of beef, and packed in with spinnach leaves.

after takeing a bite of each thing, you must throw the remains back over your shoulder, rocket robinhood stlye.
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Post by YourGrandpa »

tnf wrote:Ah..I thought that's who it was, but wasn't quite sure.

Thanks.

I showed it to my freshmen and they actually believed I had been in jail. Now my classroom is much easier to manage.

N.P.
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