That Uzbekistan massacre...

Post by **Ryoki** » Tue May 17, 2005 1:32 pm

Certainly 500 (according to international aid workers) and maybe as much as 2000 people (according to protestors) were killed by goverment forces last saturday. To put that number of casualties into perspective, even the low estimate is a lot higher than the amount of people killed in Tianamen square in '89. Unfortunately Uzbekistan is a very important chess piece on the chess board of the Great Game, so presumably absolutely nothing will be done against it.

Some links with background information:

The official US line:
http://www.terrorismanswers.org/coaliti ... istan.html

An excellent Guardian opinion article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story ... 31,00.html

BBC article on the Great Game
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4550065.stm

Justin Raimundo's column:
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/

Post by **saturn** » Tue May 17, 2005 1:34 pm

this is giving me headaches.....what's up with all those young "democracies" falling back to dictatorship.

Post by **Shmee** » Tue May 17, 2005 1:36 pm

It's easier that way?

Post by **saturn** » Tue May 17, 2005 1:38 pm

greed and power, bleh

Post by **Shmee** » Tue May 17, 2005 1:39 pm

They make the world go round!

Post by **Grudge** » Tue May 17, 2005 1:39 pm

Another great victory in the war on Terrorism!

Post by **Ryoki** » Tue May 17, 2005 1:41 pm

saturn wrote:this is giving me headaches.....what's up with all those young "democracies" falling back to dictatorship.

Uzbekistan has been a dictatorship ever since the USSR collapsed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_Karimov

Post by **saturn** » Tue May 17, 2005 1:44 pm

Ryoki wrote:
saturn wrote:this is giving me headaches.....what's up with all those young "democracies" falling back to dictatorship.
Uzbekistan has been a dictatorship ever since the USSR collapsed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_Karimov

officially it's a republic, but you're right, there's little decision-making and power besides the president. Was confused with Turkmenistan or whatever.

Post by **HM-PuFFNSTuFF** » Tue May 17, 2005 1:47 pm

there will be a democratic revolution, no thanks to the U.S. a la Romania

Post by **Ryoki** » Tue May 17, 2005 1:51 pm

saturn wrote:Turkmenistan

Heheh that guy is possibly worse!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saparmurat_Niyazov

You must be confused with one of those other 4 stans.

EDIT: notice how he ordered an ice palace to be build in the desert. What a guy :icon14:

Post by **saturn** » Tue May 17, 2005 1:51 pm

hehe, that's why I said that it's giving me a headache.....Poetin is the worst of all, sneaky little Stalin

Post by **busetibi** » Tue May 17, 2005 2:01 pm

Vladimir Putin, use to be in the kgb, colonel i think, ffs,how he got to be president is fkn beyond me but then again he would have heaps of shit on the other ppl.
would'nt trust the twat,after all he did sell nuclear reactors to iran.
should take out russia once and for all imho.
wipe them out while theyre weak.

Post by **Ryoki** » Tue May 17, 2005 2:20 pm

busetibi wrote:Vladimir Putin, use to be in the kgb, colonel i think, ffs,how he got to be president is fkn beyond me but then again he would have heaps of shit on the other ppl.

George Bush senior was head of the CIA, i seem to recall he was president too at some point...

Post by **saturn** » Tue May 17, 2005 2:21 pm

Ryoki wrote:
busetibi wrote:Vladimir Putin, use to be in the kgb, colonel i think, ffs,how he got to be president is fkn beyond me but then again he would have heaps of shit on the other ppl.
George Bush senior was head of the CIA, i seem to recall he was president too at some point...

and look what mess he left in Iraq for his son to clear up

Post by **SplishSplash** » Tue May 17, 2005 2:39 pm

busetibi wrote:would'nt trust the twat,after all he did sell nuclear reactors to iran.
should take out russia once and for all imho.
wipe them out while theyre weak.

Post by **Nightshade** » Tue May 17, 2005 3:03 pm

saturn wrote:
Ryoki wrote:
busetibi wrote:Vladimir Putin, use to be in the kgb, colonel i think, ffs,how he got to be president is fkn beyond me but then again he would have heaps of shit on the other ppl.
George Bush senior was head of the CIA, i seem to recall he was president too at some point...
and look what mess he left in Iraq for his son to clear up

I was no afn of Bush Sr, but he was a LOT smarter about it than his fucking retard son.

Post by **Shmee** » Tue May 17, 2005 3:12 pm

busetibi wrote:Vladimir Putin, use to be in the kgb, colonel i think, ffs,how he got to be president is fkn beyond me but then again he would have heaps of shit on the other ppl.
would'nt trust the twat,after all he did sell nuclear reactors to iran.
should take out russia once and for all imho.
wipe them out while theyre weak.

Our great ally Boris Yeltsin groomed him for the position. Yeltsin was OK imo, he just picked badly.

Post by **4days** » Tue May 17, 2005 4:35 pm

Ryoki wrote:
saturn wrote:Turkmenistan
Heheh that guy is possibly worse!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saparmurat_Niyazov

You must be confused with one of those other 4 stans.

EDIT: notice how he ordered an ice palace to be build in the desert. What a guy :icon14:

that guy's fantastic, mad as a sack of ferrets.

Turkmen Drivers Required To Know President's Book To Get License
Drivers in Turkmenistan will now be required to pass a test on their knowledge of President Niyazov's book "Rukhnama" before they may receive their licenses, RTR reported on 2 August. A Niyazov decree published in state media on 2 August specifies that all drivers first complete a 16-hour course on "Rukhnama."

State news quoted Niyazov as saying the move is aimed at "ensur[ing] that future drivers are educated in the spirit of high moral values of Turkmenistan's society."

Niyazov's "Rukhnama" is already required course material in Turkmenistan's schools, from elementary to university levels, and is kept in state-controlled mosques alongside copies of the Koran.

"Rukhnama" is the Turkmen president's spiritual guide for proper behavior by the Turkmen people. (Reuters)

(was) our man in uzbekistan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Murray
http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/craig_murray.html

Post by **DumDariDum** » Tue May 17, 2005 4:45 pm

Who gives a fuck about the third world.

Post by **R00k** » Tue May 17, 2005 4:50 pm

saturn wrote:this is giving me headaches.....what's up with all those young "democracies" falling back to dictatorship.

With all the coming oil wars, I wouldn't be surprised if several countries showed their true colors and went back to more fascist/autocratic style leaderships. It's easy during war time you know.

Just look at what we're doing.

Post by **R00k** » Tue May 17, 2005 4:51 pm

DumDariDum wrote:Who gives a fuck about the third world.

Don't be an idiot. Even third world countries have lots of oil that we want. :lol:

Post by **Canidae** » Tue May 17, 2005 6:54 pm

HM-PuFFNSTuFF wrote:there will be a democratic revolution, no thanks to the U.S. a la Romania

Whether they got involved or stayed out of it you'd still blame them ,so whats the difference?
Have you ever thought that just the presence of the US there may be the spark that is igniting freedom and a democracy movement there?
But it matters not because they'll probably sink into a theocratic dictatorship and just kill their people more quietly for things like a woman showing a little ankle.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Tue May 17, 2005 8:37 pm

SplishSplash wrote:
busetibi wrote:would'nt trust the twat,after all he did sell nuclear reactors to iran.
should take out russia once and for all imho.
wipe them out while theyre weak.

You know you want to, so they don't pose a threat to your cuntry in a future war.

Am I right or am I right?

Post by **saturn** » Tue May 17, 2005 9:20 pm

Nightshade wrote:
saturn wrote:
Ryoki wrote: George Bush senior was head of the CIA, i seem to recall he was president too at some point...
and look what mess he left in Iraq for his son to clear up
I was no afn of Bush Sr, but he was a LOT smarter about it than his fucking retard son.

I will call you Captain Obvious from now on!

Post by **Nightshade** » Tue May 17, 2005 9:30 pm

Methinks I doth detect the subtle odeur of sarcasm on the freshening breeze...