OnePlus 5T blows away iPhone X...

[losCHUNK]

I've never run into that problem... The only issue I've ran into is one where the keyboard won't show up to let you type in a password to unlock the phone. Definitely a bug in the samsung OS. Recently though I obtained an adaptor that allows me to plug a USB cable into the charge port of the phone and by plugging in a keyboard I was able to bypass the bug and send the user on his merry way. I'm assuming it'll be patched.

Then you've either been lucky, don't use many apps or are blind, considering you stated that you support Android devices from a technical standpoint I'm guessing you're blind because there is no way you did not come across this issue.

As an example, my s5 was absolutely brutalised by it, the poor thing could barely unlock itself thanks to an update in Android 5.0. I swapped this phone for another (octacore) s5 hoping I could power out the issue with sheer CPU power and that was on top of the wakelocks from apps that I was experiencing. My next phone (and current) is an s7 and although this handles better thanks to being more powerful I still get niggling issues with it where it will throw resources away so I have to perform some maintenance in tracking down problem apps to try and get it corrected from time to time. This can be caused my anything n all, including an update by FB, Snapchat or something just as popular. Then there's issues with mounting, apps disappearing along with your keyboard and such, these being the minor problems. Android when looked after can perform well, but like gardening I really can't be fucked with that shit.

If you want access to the backend and like fiddling with your phone, customisation, installing ROMs or whatnot then Android is by far the choice for you, it's what I thought I wanted, but if you just want a phone with similiar functionality out the box that you can leave without it fucking itself then it has to be Apple. I don't use a lot of apps either, it's not like my phone is littered with them and I know others with varying devices (notes / moto's etc) who have had it. That keyboard issue has plagued all Android devices for a good few years n all, it's not Samsung specific, a few restarts and clearing cache usually fixes it, that can also be an issue associated with allocated resources and the KB not having enough.

[Eraser]

You ok, soapboy?

Yeah, Just baked af. Got into a ramble there.

Don't worry. Red font guy has the rambling part covered for ya

[MKJ]

soapboy returns and we're back to arguing phones.
all we need now is GKY getting mad at everyone and we can party like it's 2009.

[Eraser]

Nah, we'd need to have LawL claiming to have had sex with your father for that.

[Mat Linnett]

If samsung/android pay was any good I'd be over the moon with my S8+ but it's just not as good as Apple pay.

I mean, I can't say I've ever used Apple Pay, as it wasn't around last time I had an iPhone, but it works fine on my Sony Z5 Compact, and I use that to tap in and out on London transport multiple times a day.

Then again, I haven't had a personal phone for years now. I just let work take care of that for me. I don't really get a choice of handset (Android or iPhone is about as much of a choice as I get), but I get a free phone and the bill's paid by the company.

[Κracus]

Ive been in telecom (Wireless) For 10+ years at this point (see everyone can have phones as a job!). Its entirely common for wake locks on android to murder batteries. This is from supporting CUSTOMER AND CONSUMER devices. Hate to break it to you but android isnt smooth butter shit like you're trying tt make it out to be. Wake locks are a thing and the reason they happen is any moron can code some bullshit for the market.

You support 10 devices? 100? 400? You've had to handle each of those devices manually? And you check in on every user daily to find out if wake locks are a thing? Really, are you in actual wireless? Or are you just some "Guy" who works on shit at some business? I really hope its more the first, because being an "IT GUY" don't count when you only support a handful of people on specific hardware.

Ohhh wait, you janitor your shit regularly? Please let that be the next thing we go on about. Derp derp if you just keep an eye on things derp derp. Should not have to.

Janitoring my phone to get better battery is for the fucking birds. My iPhone I can leave every single service on, and get 48 hours easily. Why? Apps dont get stuck and kill my phone.


It not being a general android thing though.

That's nice, I work for a provincial government supporting roughly 10,000 users. I'm not saying Android is without faults, it has faults the same as apple and blackberry does. Unlike your clients though we lock that shit down so users can't get into the type of crap that causes those types of problems and that's probably the main reason I don't see the issues you see. Most of my problems revolve around encryption and email. Less so with blackberry, more so with Apple and Android is just in the middle of the two but we're phasing out blackberry's as the hardware isn't what it used to be. By the way, nice little condescending tone you've got going on, I'm sure working for a telecom company must be wonderful...

Edit: I should add that the problem you're mentioning isn't with the battery. It's the software causing the battery to drain. Software can be a problem on any platform if it's not well implemented. The batteries themselves are fine.

[Eraser]

I should add that the problem you're mentioning isn't with the battery. It's the software causing the battery to drain. Software can be a problem on any platform if it's not well implemented. The batteries themselves are fine.

I think his point is that Apple's walled garden approach to software prevents apps with implementation problems like this from entering their appstore.

So in the end it all boils down to the open platform/walled garden discussion which has absolutely nothing to do with the OS itself.

[losCHUNK]

Not really, it's about the implementation and limitations of the OS, Google know this which is why they are trying to track apps resource usage better. Allowing shoddy code onto your platform that can hide in memory is not a walled garden problem and I hate Apple for taking that approach, it's why I moved away from them in the 1st place. If it was a case of opening task manager and shutting down greedy programs it wouldn't be an issue.

Kracus raised the arguement of supporting 1000s of users only to find out his userbase is a walled garden.

[Κracus]

I was speaking strictly from a hardware standpoint. Samsung vs Apple hardware mostly. I'm not a fan of walled gardens either.

[SOAPboy]

Not really, it's about the implementation and limitations of the OS, Google know this which is why they are trying to track apps resource usage better. Allowing shoddy code onto your platform that can hide in memory is not a walled garden problem and I hate Apple for taking that approach, it's why I moved away from them in the 1st place. If it was a case of opening task manager and shutting down greedy programs it wouldn't be an issue.

Kracus raised the arguement of supporting 1000s of users only to find out his userbase is a walled garden.

Right? If I supported users in a sterile env I wouldnt have issues either!

I was speaking strictly from a hardware standpoint. Samsung vs Apple hardware mostly. I'm not a fan of walled gardens either.

And we wernt if you paid attention.

Ive been in telecom (Wireless) For 10+ years at this point (see everyone can have phones as a job!). Its entirely common for wake locks on android to murder batteries. This is from supporting CUSTOMER AND CONSUMER devices. Hate to break it to you but android isnt smooth butter shit like you're trying tt make it out to be. Wake locks are a thing and the reason they happen is any moron can code some bullshit for the market.

You support 10 devices? 100? 400? You've had to handle each of those devices manually? And you check in on every user daily to find out if wake locks are a thing? Really, are you in actual wireless? Or are you just some "Guy" who works on shit at some business? I really hope its more the first, because being an "IT GUY" don't count when you only support a handful of people on specific hardware.

Ohhh wait, you janitor your shit regularly? Please let that be the next thing we go on about. Derp derp if you just keep an eye on things derp derp. Should not have to.

Janitoring my phone to get better battery is for the fucking birds. My iPhone I can leave every single service on, and get 48 hours easily. Why? Apps dont get stuck and kill my phone.


It not being a general android thing though.

That's nice, I work for a provincial government supporting roughly 10,000 users. I'm not saying Android is without faults, it has faults the same as apple and blackberry does. Unlike your clients though we lock that shit down so users can't get into the type of crap that causes those types of problems and that's probably the main reason I don't see the issues you see. Most of my problems revolve around encryption and email. Less so with blackberry, more so with Apple and Android is just in the middle of the two but we're phasing out blackberry's as the hardware isn't what it used to be. By the way, nice little condescending tone you've got going on, I'm sure working for a telecom company must be wonderful...

Edit: I should add that the problem you're mentioning isn't with the battery. It's the software causing the battery to drain. Software can be a problem on any platform if it's not well implemented. The batteries themselves are fine.

Which when you get down to it is an OS level problem. Nobody said the literal physical batteries are trash. We're saying the OS (which really, is more an app issue CAUSING the OS to wake lock) is causing the problem.

Supporting 10k users on a domain. So basically you'll never have issues with any user thanks to locked down IT policy, Cool, So you dont support users on android, you support users in a closed sealed env. Big dif.

[PhoeniX]

If you want to see what's eating your battery because of wakelocks then BetterBatteryStats is good. You can easily disable/uninstall the problematic apps. The author has put a free version on XDA if you don't want to buy it.

I wrote an app for a device we were testing a couple of years ago that was put in the sea. We strapped a phone to it inside a waterproof case, powered/recharged it with a tiny solar panel, and used it to record all the accelerometer data of how it was being knocked around by the sea. We used a phone as it was a cheap simple solution for prototyping. We genuinely needed wakelocks to make that work - couldn't have done that on Apple

[losCHUNK]

The non rooted version of that can be found in one of the links I posted, I've tried it and it's a tidy piece of kit

I use it with Greenify but doesn't always work (or isn't always so easy) if something is using Google / play services or something alike.

[SOAPboy]

If you want to see what's eating your battery because of wakelocks then BetterBatteryStats is good. You can easily disable/uninstall the problematic apps. The author has put a free version on XDA if you don't want to buy it.

I wrote an app for a device we were testing a couple of years ago that was put in the sea. We strapped a phone to it inside a waterproof case, powered/recharged it with a tiny solar panel, and used it to record all the accelerometer data of how it was being knocked around by the sea. We used a phone as it was a cheap simple solution for prototyping. We genuinely needed wakelocks to make that work - couldn't have done that on Apple

Its pretty cool thats still like the go to app. Crazy how nothing really has replaced it.