What is new in your little world?

[YourGrandpa]

Seems like he was over sold and paid too much...

People are taken advantage of all the time. Especially when it comes to things they might not know much about. That doesn't make Whiskey a bad person. There's also nothing wrong with pointing it out. Knowing is better than being oblivious. And hopefully it helps with future decision.

[xer0s]

Aw yes, you’ve been very helpful. Thank you...

[Whiskey 7]

Are you saying you're not allowed to work on your own home in Australia?

The warranty on the water heater would have covered any defects.

That entire explanation, though it might help you feel better about your purchase, doesn't answer the question why you bought such a large water heater.

1. As I stated, here you need be licensed to work on utilities and I would be committing an offence had I not used proper licensed trades.

2. I always replace 'like for like' as to do otherwise is shortsighted IMO. For example, if I were to sell my apartment a buyer just might see a small system and think there's another cost to replace it.

[PhoeniX]

The regs. for working on your house are pretty strict here too - I guess it's to account for stupid people, not that they'd pay attention to the regulations anyway so it's the rest who get punished. I generally do my own electric work around the house but I wouldn't touch something like my gas boiler because that's a whole new world of prison time if it went wrong.

I work in the utilities sector for a company who amongst other things train/accredit people to install gas/water mains.. not the little ones inside your house, but the big ones that run under the roads and feed entire areas. We train them so this doesn't happen and shutdown half of London for a day -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-42783935

[SOAPboy]

Are you saying you're not allowed to work on your own home in Australia?

The warranty on the water heater would have covered any defects.

That entire explanation, though it might help you feel better about your purchase, doesn't answer the question why you bought such a large water heater.

Not everything works like rural america where you can build 400sqft on the back of your home in the night and nobody says shit.

And people wonder why we have such shitty houses in places

[losCHUNK]

The regs. for working on your house are pretty strict here too - I guess it's to account for stupid people, not that they'd pay attention to the regulations anyway so it's the rest who get punished. I generally do my own electric work around the house but I wouldn't touch something like my gas boiler because that's a whole new world of prison time if it went wrong.

I work in the utilities sector for a company who amongst other things train/accredit people to install gas/water mains.. not the little ones inside your house, but the big ones that run under the roads and feed entire areas. We train them so this doesn't happen and shutdown half of London for a day -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-42783935

Aye, kinda makes sense when you consider the consequences of a gas explosion. There was one around the corner not long back, took out 4/5 houses.

Had a landlord trying to convince me it was fine to fit his gas cooker n all, it wasn't illegal and it was easy. Was like if it's so easy then do it yourself, 'no, no, no'. Prick.

[Whiskey 7]

Aye, kinda makes sense when you consider the consequences........

I worked for the water supply and sewerage utility company here for some years and came to understand and appreciate the need for 'back flow prevention devices'. You can Google if you're interested but the short of it is, these devices prevent you drinking contaminated water.

Imagine this, some ratbag allows dirt, shit, metal fragments or worse to enter the local water supply in the belief they could do their own plumbing. Now you know water pressure normally ensures the water service is supplied in one direction and to your property, but in some circumstances it can flow the other way and this drags the contamination into your supply

I can also tell you the horror story of a back flow of sewerage into a household toilet because someone thought they could dig and access a main sewer line in their back yard unknown to authorities. It wasn't until routine maintenance months later when a crew were using a very high pressures water blaster (they do) did scheduled cleaning and the head of the 'jetrodder' (like a drill head but emitting high pressure and volumes of water) took a detour feet underground. Pressure built and a massive amount of sewer material sprayed around a household toilet cubical. I didn't see the aftermath but you can well imagine, not a pretty sight.

Say, I did tell the story while of my electrocution didn't I? Wait..... Yes I did back in 2008 so read and weep..

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=39022&hilit=electrocution

Examples of why we have and need regulations to prohibit people tampering with utilities, as it should be

[shaft]

I think there are laws like that with public building and multi family dwellings. You're also supposed to get permits and inspections for major work done on your house. Even something like a deck, you're required by law to build it to certain specifications and an inspector has to come out and examine things at certain intervals. The problem is enforcing it or educating people on what they aren't allowed to do in a country with 320 million people.
Things also get caught when you go to buy or sell a property. Professional inspections usually happen then. Especially if a bank is lending you money.

I'd have no problem putting in a water heater, especially an electric one. I plumbed my own gas stove, put in a water softener, framed part of my basement, wired lights and switches. Definitely not rocket science. Especially with youtube at your fingertips nowadays.

I can appreciate laws restricting people from doing these things though, especially in places where houses are older than America itself. The vast majority of homes in the US are probably well under 100yrs old. I would hesitate to do anything if I had an archaic HVAC or didn't think my home wiring was done to code. But wood and drywall and a reasonable expectation of what you will find behind a wall? ezpz.

[YourGrandpa]

1. As I stated, here you need be licensed to work on utilities and I would be committing an offence had I not used proper licensed trades.

2. I always replace 'like for like' as to do otherwise is shortsighted IMO. For example, if I were to sell my apartment a buyer just might see a small system and think there's another cost to replace it.

You have to be a licensed contractor to work on other people's utilities here as well. But if you are a home owner you can work on anything in your own home without licenses. Of course you're supposed to file for permits and get inspections as well. However, multi-family dose have stricter guidelines.

Like for like would make sense if it's justified. Do you live in a 4000 square foot 5 bedroom home? If so, a 315 L water heater makes sense. Otherwise, you're throwing money away. Because potential buyers aren't going to find value in something they don't need.

[YourGrandpa]

You should also look into getting a time-clock to control your water heater (if you don't already have one). That way you can schedule when it runs. Keeping all of that water hot all day long is unnecessary and can be costly.

[losCHUNK]

Be quiet now.

[YourGrandpa]

Go fuck yourself.

[losCHUNK]

You're being a dick. That doesn't make you a bad person, but there's also nothing wrong with pointing it out. Knowing is better than being oblivious and hopefully it will help with future conversations.

[YourGrandpa]

It really burns your ass to know that I'm right. But instead of admitting it you angle for dismissal.

Man up, Chump. You don't want to die a spineless pussy.

[losCHUNK]

Whisks already won because of your myopic world, besides, you just wont let it go.

So hush up now, be a lad.

[YourGrandpa]

I didn't know this was a competition to be "won"... Myopic? I was right on the money, ya dope. Even Shaft agreed.

And talk about not moving on. Why are you even here extending the conversion? No one said anything to you. At least I had relevant input. All you've done is bitch. Haven't you noticed all of the other dipshits fucking off? There's good reason.

Just admit I'm right, son. It's okay.

[losCHUNK]

Would you prefer I phrased it as Whisk was right ?.

You said he overpaid (he didn't as he's told you more than once)
You said to perform the job himself (which he told you would be illegal more than once)
and then when he said he didn't get a small cheap HWS you said his tank was too big (which he told you why that is)

As some side points you're still unaware of his current/future living arrangements, what water appliances he uses (dishwasher / washing machine), wether the system needed repositioning, how much work was required for adaptation or if any further fixtures and fittings were required.

You want a pat on the back cos you guessed he was getting a HWS after telling you he got a HWS ?, or repeating yourself so that others can do the same ?.

If you could extract your head from your ass you might be able to see the forest through the trees.

So like I said, quiet now.

[YourGrandpa]

Whiskey was right about what? What he did? Well of course. He did exactly what he said he did.

Whiskey said he purchased and had a contractor install a 315 L electric WH for his apartment and spent $2K doing so.

I suggested he paid too much for an electric, tank based water heating "system".

Everyone jumped on (including your dumb ass) claiming I didn't know what I was talking about. When in fact, I hit it square on your pointed head.

I offered up the notion he could have installed it himself to save money. He explained why he didn't. No one wrong there. Though it is a simple install as Shaft confirmed.

Whiskey's explanation of cost was based on personal preference and speculation. A simple internet search will tell you a 315 L WH is recommended for a 5 or more person household. Not an apartment. And common sense tells you $1,300.00 is too much for 2 hours of work. So I'm right there too.

Look doofus, you can't "win" this one. If anyone should bugger off it's you.

[losCHUNK]

I also suggested that he used a water tank, an assumption others made too but here you are repeating yourself, after moving the goalposts about a situation/install you know nothing about

[YourGrandpa]

So you lose.

[YourGrandpa]

I can't wait for you to continue your stupidity when Whiskey tells us he lives in an 1600 sqft 2/2 apartment.

[losCHUNK]

Even then you know nothing of his living arrangements, but, I didn't know this was a competition to be 'won'

Now we've cleared up your myopic confusion you can now be quiet x

[YourGrandpa]

Yes, all cleared up. You were wrong and I was right. If right = win and wrong = lose. I win an you lose.

[losCHUNK]

I guess connections between neurons can't navigate corners

[xer0s]

Holy shit. I haven’t read any of this, but that is a lot of effort for something so insignificant...