President Trump

[YourGrandpa]

Gwamps working overtime in this thread to justify taking kids away from their parents and locking them in cages.

What an utter scumbag. Doesn't get that much worse than him. It's actually hard to find words that adequately describe how horrible a person he is.

You're couldn't be more wrong StuFFNBuTTs. People like you get on your moral high horse and scream like a child about how bad something is, but you've got NO alternative. Your view of the situation is so narrow and bias that it obscures your ability to reason. I'm certain you still don't have a viable suggestion, let alone a solution for America's immigration problem. Only complaints. And that's my entire point. Never once did I say I was for separating children from there parents. However, I can understand there are problems on both sides of this issue. Those problems have never been dealt with and need a clear resolution. But instead of being objective, you close your mind and rail on. That's the problem with wingers like you in our government. You only want to complain about the other side and do nothing to promote change. Immigration reform isn't a black and white issue. It's something that is a big problem for America, both ethically and financially. We can't let everyone in and we can't send everyone home. "We are a nation of immigrants, but we are also a nation of laws". So the next time you want to throw a tantrum, come with a recommendation or just STFU. We've heard it already.

[YourGrandpa]

Gramps' line about Canada "not having room for immigrants?" chilled me; one of my favourite contemporary British sci-fi authors recently wrote a book called "America City", where that attitude is explored extensively.
I highly recommend it.

Sarcasm... Something so easily lost in text. My comments about Canada are said in jest. I don't expect Canada to do anything to alleviate the problem we have with immigration in America. Why would they? But again, being critical of a situation that you have little knowledge of without offering anything constructive seems a bit ignorant. Sorry.

[YourGrandpa]

He doesn't get any credit for reversing that fucked up policy change.

Of course not. On to the next complaint. Right?

[Doombrain]

Gramps' line about Canada "not having room for immigrants?" chilled me; one of my favourite contemporary British sci-fi authors recently wrote a book called "America City", where that attitude is explored extensively.
I highly recommend it.

Sarcasm... Something so easily lost in text. My comments about Canada are said in jest. I don't expect Canada to do anything to alleviate the problem we have with immigration in America. Why would they? But again, being critical of a situation that you have little knowledge of without offering anything constructive seems a bit ignorant. Sorry.

A little bit like the assumption you just made, right?

[YourGrandpa]

Can you please try to be a little more ambiguous next time. I'm certain the more you obscure the thoughts you are trying to convey the better it'll be for everyone. You know, as close as we can get to you not saying anything at all.

[Κracus]

What's really sad is that there isn't really an immigration crisis in the US. Migrants coming to a country is a perfectly normal thing and it happens all the time everywhere. Well... Maybe not North Korea lol. You get what I'm saying, there's no real crisis at hand with mexican immigrants. That doesn't mean you stop patrolling but at the end of the day, there's people to take care of it and process the people coming in. This is entirely a non issue aside from taking kids from their families and I'm happy you've come around and see that it's not cool.

[YourGrandpa]

You're absolutely wrong. There aren't enough people to process all of the immigrants seeking asylum or entering the country illegally. Furthermore, there aren't enough places to house immigrating families while they are being processed. Two very big problems. Problems that weren't being dealt with by the past administration. Immigrants were just be released into the country...

I'm not just coming around either. I already understand and empathize with the problem. But I'm still completely against illegal immigration. Something several morons around here can't seem differentiate.

[Doombrain]

Can you please try to be a little more ambiguous next time. I'm certain the more you obscure the thoughts you are trying to convey the better it'll be for everyone. You know, as close as we can get to you not saying anything at all.

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[Transient]

He doesn't get any credit for reversing that fucked up policy change.

Of course not. On to the next complaint. Right?

He manufactured a problem and it blew up in his face. If you think I should be happy with him because he changed it back, you're a fucking moron. There is no immigration crisis, we can easily process immigrants coming into America and there's no threat of terrorists. Abolishing ICE and giving all those people jobs processing immigrants will kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Our economy would only improve if we gave blanket citizenship to everyone who came over.

[shaft]

Gramps conflates child separation policy with illegal immigration and argues like a dickhead for 2 pages and then wonders why people think he’s for putting kids in cages. jfc i want those brain cells back.

[YourGrandpa]

He manufactured a problem and it blew up in his face. If you think I should be happy with him because he changed it back, you're a fucking moron. There is no immigration crisis, we can easily process immigrants coming into America and there's no threat of terrorists. Abolishing ICE and giving all those people jobs processing immigrants will kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Our economy would only improve if we gave blanket citizenship to everyone who came over.

He enforced laws already in place in hopes of pressuring democrats to the table over immigration reform. That doesn't mean I agree with the tactic either. And if you don't think we have immigration issues in America, you're the moron. These problems have been verbalized by every president since Bill Clinton. Trump didn't have to sign an executive order. He could have left it to Congress to resolve. But he saw the tragedy, heard the outcry and took action. Like any president should do.

[YourGrandpa]

Gramps conflates child separation policy with illegal immigration and argues like a dickhead for 2 pages and then wonders why people think he’s for putting kids in cages. jfc i want those brain cells back.

It's my fault you're an assumptive asshole? LOL.

Typical winger. It's always someone else's fault.

[Transient]

But he saw the tragedy, heard the outcry and took action. Like any president should do.

He's the one who created the tragedy...

[YourGrandpa]

Time to move on to the next terribly horrific incident caused solely by this administration.

You sound just like those other shit stains that threw Obama under the bus every 5 minutes.

Get a grip, hypocrite.

[Transient]

I'm sorry, did Obama or Bush set up concentration camps for small children and I didn't notice it?

[Eraser]

Jesus Christ, these people are unbelievable
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44570688

tl;Dr: Melania Trump went to Texas to visit the children that got separated from their parents and while she did so, she wore a jacket with the text "I don't really care, do u?" on the back.
Tasteless cunt.

[Transient]

She's claiming ignorance. I don't know what's worse, that she's that oblivious or that she deliberately did it.

[MKJ]

Every word spoken, every handgesture, and every attire is being checked and advised upon by the white house staff. Yet nobody told her, 'hey this might not be the most suitable jacket for this occasion'?.
Please.

And here I thought she was actually one of the more sensible ones.

[Eraser]

This was intentional.
Trump himself tweeted that it was a statement against "fake media", but even if that was the intention, what a terrible moment to make that statement in that way.

[Transient]

Gotta respect that epic troll, though.

[Κracus]

He enforced laws already in place in hopes of pressuring democrats to the table over immigration reform.

This is absolutely false. He did not enforce laws already in place, nor is there a law for this at all. There's a policy, which was drafted in April by two dickheads whom I forget their names and then Jeff Sessions endorsed it. Trump also endorsed after it became a problem, pinning the blame on democrats, lol, and then using the same excuses you're saying until it was found out that he was completely full of shit and is now backtracking to undo the mess that happened under his watch.

The only reason kids would have been separated from their families under Obama was due to neglect or unfit parents.

Edit: Also you're completely wrong about not having enough manpower or facilities for immigrants. Your government spends an absurd amount on defense.

[YourGrandpa]

This is absolutely false. He did not enforce laws already in place, nor is there a law for this at all. There's a policy, which was drafted in April by two dickheads whom I forget their names and then Jeff Sessions endorsed it. Trump also endorsed after it became a problem, pinning the blame on democrats, lol, and then using the same excuses you're saying until it was found out that he was completely full of shit and is now backtracking to undo the mess that happened under his watch.

The only reason kids would have been separated from their families under Obama was due to neglect or unfit parents.

Edit: Also you're completely wrong about not having enough manpower or facilities for immigrants. Your government spends an absurd amount on defense.

I know you're a bit of dope and that causes you to speak out of turn. So let me help you out.

Sessions enacted a "Zero Tolerance" policy for a law that was passed under the Clinton administration. That was done as a deterrent to discourage illegal immigration. Do I agree with it? No. Was it a bad idea? Clearly.

Saying a country has the money for something that they don't currently have, doesn't mean they have it.

[YourGrandpa]

I'm sorry, did Obama or Bush set up concentration camps for small children and I didn't notice it?

That still hasn't happened. And separating children from their detained parents didn't just start happening under the current administration.

[Transient]

Yes it did. Obama started the mass detention program, but he never separated children from their families. It was wrong then and it's still wrong now, and I critisized him for it at the time.

You seem to be under the impression that I loved Obama and everything he did. I started questioning him right out of the gate in 2008 when he started cracking down on marijuana dispensaries in CA harder than Bush did before him. The bailout of the banks didn't help my opinion of him, either. He's just as corrupt as Clinton and Bush, and now Drumpf is taking it to a whole new level.

[Κracus]

This is absolutely false. He did not enforce laws already in place, nor is there a law for this at all. There's a policy, which was drafted in April by two dickheads whom I forget their names and then Jeff Sessions endorsed it. Trump also endorsed after it became a problem, pinning the blame on democrats, lol, and then using the same excuses you're saying until it was found out that he was completely full of shit and is now backtracking to undo the mess that happened under his watch.

The only reason kids would have been separated from their families under Obama was due to neglect or unfit parents.

Edit: Also you're completely wrong about not having enough manpower or facilities for immigrants. Your government spends an absurd amount on defense.

I know you're a bit of dope and that causes you to speak out of turn. So let me help you out.

Sessions enacted a "Zero Tolerance" policy for a law that was passed under the Clinton administration. That was done as a deterrent to discourage illegal immigration. Do I agree with it? No. Was it a bad idea? Clearly.

Saying a country has the money for something that they don't currently have, doesn't mean they have it.

Oh, so you want to talk down to me and be wrong at the same time, awesome I love that. The Zero Tolerance policy is the one that was created in April I referred to.

"In April the Trump administration took an unprecedented step and put in place a “zero tolerance” immigration policy calling for the prosecution of those who illegally enter the U.S. That policy, in the eyes of the administration, includes separating minor children from their parents at the border, regardless of whether their parents are attempting to seek asylum which is not illegal or attempting to cross the border for the first time, which remains a misdemeanor crime."

Get your facts straight before calling someone a dope.