Overclocking Help

Post by **Don Carlos** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:13 pm

these are my details :

CPU

CPU Info
CPU 1/1
AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+
Manufacturer AMD
Family AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+
Architecture 64-bit
Internal Clock 2.0 GHz
Internal Clock Maximum 3.0 GHz
External Clock 200.0 MHz
Socket Designation Socket 754
HyperThreadingTechnology N/A
Capabilities MMX, CMov, RDTSC, 3DNow!, Extended 3DNow!, SSE, SSE2, PAE, NX
Version AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+
Caches
Level 1 128 KB
Level 2 512 KB

RAM

Memory Array 1/1
Max Module Capacity 12.00 GB
Location System Board
Use System
Supported Speeds
Supported Types
Supported Voltages

Memory Slot 1/3
Installed Enabled Size 512 MB
Form Factor DIMM
Frequency 0.0 Hz
Slot A0 [Bank0/1]
Type Details
Enabled Size 512 MB
Total Bit Width 64 b
Data Bit Width 64 b
Memory Slot 2/3
Installed Enabled Size 512 MB
Form Factor DIMM
Frequency 0.0 Hz
Slot A1 [Bank2/3]
Type Details
Enabled Size 512 MB
Total Bit Width 64 b
Data Bit Width 64 b
Memory Slot 3/3
Installed Enabled Size 0 B
Form Factor DIMM
Frequency 0.0 Hz
Slot A2 [Bank4/5]
Type Details
Enabled Size 0 B
Total Bit Width 64 b
Data Bit Width 64 b

Mobo

Motherboard Info
Supported Slot Types ISA, PCI, AGP
Model MS-7030
BIOS Vendor Phoenix Technologies, LTD
BIOS Version 6.00 PG
BIOS Release Date 07/28/2004
BIOS Properties Plug and Play, Flash, AGP
AGP
Available Rate 0x00000000
Selected Rate 0x00000000
Aperture Size 0 B
Sideband Addressing
Fast Write

Slots??

Card Slots
Slot 1/6 (PCI)
Order 1
Designation PCI0
Type PCI
Characteristics 5.0V, PME Signal
Data Bus Width 32 b
Details Available, Long
IRQ 0

Slot 2/6 (PCI)
VIA OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
Order 2
Designation PCI1
Type PCI
Characteristics 5.0V, PME Signal
Data Bus Width 32 b
Details In Use, Long
Device Class 1394 BUS Controller
Manufacturer VIA
Driver Version 5.1.2535.0
Driver Date 7-1-2001
IRQ 19

Slot 3/6 (PCI)
Order 3
Designation PCI2
Type PCI
Characteristics 5.0V, PME Signal
Data Bus Width 32 b
Details Available, Long
IRQ 0

Slot 4/6 (PCI)
Order 4
Designation PCI3
Type PCI
Characteristics 5.0V, PME Signal
Data Bus Width 32 b
Details Available, Long
IRQ 0

Slot 5/6 (PCI)
Order 5
Designation PCI4
Type PCI
Characteristics 5.0V, PME Signal
Data Bus Width 32 b
Details Available, Long
IRQ 0

Slot 6/6 (AGP)
NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT
Order 0
Designation AGP
Type AGP
Characteristics 5.0V
Data Bus Width 32 b
Details In Use, Long
Device Class Display Adapter
Manufacturer NVIDIA
Driver Version 7.1.8.9
Driver Date 4-1-2005
IRQ 16

Need ot get this running Very well please?

Post by **Don Carlos** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:17 pm

Video Card as well

NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT Driver 7.1.8.9

Description NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT
Manufacturer NVIDIA
Total Local Video Memory 128 MB
Total Local Texture Memory 128 MB
Total AGP Memory 256 MB
Driver File nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version 7.1.8.9
Driver Date 4-1-2005
Driver WHQL Certified true
Max Texture Width 4096 px
Max Texture Height 4096 px

Post by **Magestic** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:46 pm

What brand of RAM? What rating?

Anyway, Try raising your FSB a couple of Mhz at a time. I assume that your mobo has PCI lock.

Same thing for your GFX card, use the nVidia built-in overclocking tool. If it isnt enable use RivaTuner to do so.

Post by **Psyche911** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:43 pm

I guess it's too late to say that if you just bought this, you could have gotten a different mobo & CPU (Venice) that would overclock twice as well...

But anyway, we need to know the SPD of your RAM & default voltage would help too.

The SPD can be obtained by using this program:

http://www.cpuid.org/cpuz.php
Download: http://www.cpuid.org/download/cpu-z-128.zip

Go into the SPD tab to find out.

Do what Magestic suggested, keep upping the FSB 2MHz at a time, and then reboot back into the BIOS. Try again and again until it fails. When it fails, either up the CPU voltage or VDIMM (memory voltage) until it's stable or you reach to high voltage. Then you can either keep your timings (lower timings = better) or raise the timings. Raising the timings and keeping the same speed would lower performance, but if you can get a much higher FSB out of higher timings, it is often worth the loss of efficiency.

Great timings are 2-2-2-5. I'm betting your RAM will be something like 2.5-3-3-7. You could go all the way up to 3-4-4-8 or so, but you better be getting a fast FSB otherwise it's not really worth it.

Most memory can take a lot more voltage than the average motherboard supplies. They generally say to use active cooling (which means just have a fan over it) of the RAM once you hit 3volts. But most mothervboards only do 2.8, 2.85, or 2.9 VDIMM max. I've put as much as 3.4 volts into my RAM and it stayed fairly cool with a 92mm fan on it.

I don't know what the max voltage is for that CPU. I think the stock voltage is 1.5 volts. I wouldn't go over 1.6, maybe 1.625.

When you reach a point where you keep pumping more voltage in and are not gaining stability in BIOS, back off 6-8MHz on the FSB and boot into Windows.

Use either a game or a program like Prime95 ( http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htm ) to test for Windows stability. Expect random crashes or restarts for awhile, until you get everything just right. Just keep going back into BIOS and adjusting the FSB & voltage until it's stable. Once it is game or Prime95 stable, you are done overclocking...for now.

This is just the method for doing 1:1 overclocking. 1:1 refers to the ratio of FSB:CPU. You can lower the ratio to elevate the CPU speed while keeping the RAM speed the same, stressing the CPU more but the RAM less. This is good if you have RAM that doesn't overclock well, but is not as beneficial as 1:1 overclocking.

If you want to try changing the ratio, some BIOS' have a ratio, and some show a speed. The speed is going to be in ralation to 200MHz ( or 400MHz DDR).

For example, I have my CPU at 5:4. The option in the BIOS was 320MHz. 320 is 4/5ths of 400MHz, so this is what I selected for 5:4. I know that explanation sucked, but hopefully it gets the idea across.

Again, let us know a little bit more about your memory and we can help you further.

Post by **Don Carlos** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:06 pm

So how am i lookin for some overclocking goodness?

Post by **AmIdYfReAk** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:06 pm

From my Experance, not to hot.. that is the older core A64, thats why it weights in at .13 Microns.

this is my setup ( not even close to the new core eather.. but i still have .09 micron core )

and the closest i was able to get to a decent O/C was 2.2GHZ without going through the paces.

Post by **AmIdYfReAk** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:08 pm

btw, if anyone wants to know, this is his motherboard.

http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_sp ... m&class=mb

Post by **Don Carlos** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:10 pm

i managed to get an extra 40mhz outta mine!!! OC my card like a mofo now tho
Running @ 6800 speeds

Post by **AmIdYfReAk** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:14 pm

well, ill explain a little more..

you are dealing with the older 754 socket Cpu's, and your ram is rated at cas 2.5 at DDR 400, the only way to clock up the Amd64's is to Bump up the FSB, and The ram will go with it.. ( i beleve that is right on that motherboard )

So thus, when you start moving the FSP up, the Ram will go with it, and to maintain stability you will need to lax those ram settings ( allthough they are alllready laxed ) to be able to get the speed up to even 220MHZ ( that will give you 2.2GHZ btw )

So the best bet is to go into your bios, and check out the CELL options and see what you can pull off..

You may only walk away with an extra 100mhz in the end though.

Post by **Don Carlos** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:17 pm

tops out @ 208

Post by **AmIdYfReAk** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:18 pm

did you disable Spread spectrum? ( it wont be in the CELL menu ) and did you lock the PCI/AGP frequency at 33/66?

Post by **shadd_.** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:31 pm

drop your ram speed to 166, keep the tight timings(they are worth more than fsb on a64). up the fsb to 233.

see if you can get it to 2.33ghz.

my old 3200+ clawhammer i bought last summer(2ghz) does 2.45ghz 24/7, same board as yours.

Post by **AmIdYfReAk** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:50 pm

but why would he want to drop the speed of the ram down to 166? is there a locking feature? ( then he could lock it at 200MHZ )

Post by **Don Carlos** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 5:23 pm

ok so it runs stable @ 2250mhz and the Card is running @ 560mhz instead of 500 and the memory at 1030 insead of 900

Gain over 2000 3dmarks on 2001 and Doom 3 timedemo in Ultra runs @ 71.4 fps

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 5:51 pm

Gain of only 2000 3d marks? Thats miserable. I went from 7500 to 8000 when I oc'd my radeon 9000 pro from 275/275 to 300/315 or something and it ran stable, no artifacts. My computer is old as shit, but the gain is considerably large considering I only OC'd my vid card. I remember amidy got 10000 3d marks out of a what, 1800+ t-bred and an 8500 LE, right?

Post by **shadd_.** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 5:57 pm

AmIdYfReAk wrote:but why would he want to drop the speed of the ram down to 166? is there a locking feature? ( then he could lock it at 200MHZ )

no, if he drops his ram to 166, ups fsb to 233, then ram stays at 200.

its just a divider.

Post by **Don Carlos** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 7:46 am

ToxicBug wrote:Gain of only 2000 3d marks? Thats miserable. I went from 7500 to 8000 when I oc'd my radeon 9000 pro from 275/275 to 300/315 or something and it ran stable, no artifacts. My computer is old as shit, but the gain is considerably large considering I only OC'd my vid card. I remember amidy got 10000 3d marks out of a what, 1800+ t-bred and an 8500 LE, right?

Well i have gone from 16891 to 19256 so that quite a good leap in my opinion

Also, i dont belive that for a second.
I had a 3000+ AMD chip and a GF Ti4600 only ever managed to
get 13k tops. this is 3d mark 2001 and not 99 now

Post by **shadd_.** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 5:36 pm

Don Carlos wrote:ok so it runs stable @ 2250mhz and the Card is running @ 560mhz instead of 500 and the memory at 1030 insead of 900

Gain over 2000 3dmarks on 2001 and Doom 3 timedemo in Ultra runs @ 71.4 fps

your video card is holding you back. have you worked on getting those ram timings as low as possible?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 5:58 pm

Don Carlos wrote:
ToxicBug wrote:Gain of only 2000 3d marks? Thats miserable. I went from 7500 to 8000 when I oc'd my radeon 9000 pro from 275/275 to 300/315 or something and it ran stable, no artifacts. My computer is old as shit, but the gain is considerably large considering I only OC'd my vid card. I remember amidy got 10000 3d marks out of a what, 1800+ t-bred and an 8500 LE, right?
Well i have gone from 16891 to 19256 so that quite a good leap in my opinion

Also, i dont belive that for a second.
I had a 3000+ AMD chip and a GF Ti4600 only ever managed to
get 13k tops. this is 3d mark 2001 and not 99 now

Dude I've seen the screenshot of 10k marks and the computer and also seen it at the 3dmark site. It is 3dmark2001.

Post by **Don Carlos** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:33 am

shadd_. wrote:
Don Carlos wrote:ok so it runs stable @ 2250mhz and the Card is running @ 560mhz instead of 500 and the memory at 1030 insead of 900

Gain over 2000 3dmarks on 2001 and Doom 3 timedemo in Ultra runs @ 71.4 fps
your video card is holding you back. have you worked on getting those ram timings as low as possible?

I only just got it!!!
Upgrade from my ti4600

Its a 6000 3dmark jump !!!
One hell of a difference. Im happy with me card

Post by **Doombrain** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:59 am

Don Carlos wrote:
shadd_. wrote:
Don Carlos wrote:ok so it runs stable @ 2250mhz and the Card is running @ 560mhz instead of 500 and the memory at 1030 insead of 900

Gain over 2000 3dmarks on 2001 and Doom 3 timedemo in Ultra runs @ 71.4 fps
your video card is holding you back. have you worked on getting those ram timings as low as possible?
I only just got it!!!
Upgrade from my ti4600

Its a 6000 3dmark jump !!!
One hell of a difference. Im happy with me card

is that card better than a gf2 mx??

Post by **Don Carlos** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:23 pm

Yup, but i sold it for £40