Athlon 64 FX-57 is out! :o

Post by **AmIdYfReAk** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 7:57 am

Give' er!

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050627/index.html

Post by **Kills On Site** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:46 am

Looks to be an owning processor. Quite true what they said in the conclusion about how AMDs X2s are currently double that of Intels Pentium Ds. AMD used to make the cheaper processor.

Now just to piggy back on this thread, would the Athlon 64 X2 4200+ be worth the extra cash from a 4000+ with a San Diego core for gaming?

Post by **AmIdYfReAk** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:03 pm

by piggy back, you mean STEAL! I KNOW YOUR PLAN!

anyway, AS OF RIGHT NOW! there is not to much of a performance boost when it comes to the Dual Cores simply becuase nothing is programed to take advantive of it, ( minus Some videoediting app's and etc )

But Company's are working with AMD to use this properly, so im not sure WHEN, but alot of app's/games are going to be programed to use the Dual core cpu's soon enough.

Post by **Kills On Site** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 11:47 pm

Well aren't dual core chips more for being able to run one program on one core and another on the other core, that was virus scans and video encodings don't make your computer crawl.

Personally I think the FX series are so damned expensive that they are very exclusive

Post by **Psyche911** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:19 am

The FX aren't worth money for people who aren't avid overclockers. The FX-55 is the exact same CPU as the 4000+. The only difference is that the multiplier on the FX-55 is unlocked (there may be some changes in the manufacturing process, but the speed and cache are the same).

You're right about the virus scans, encodings, etc that allow full use of the computer while it's being done. But no single programs you probably use right now will see any benefit.

Do you want to encode DVDs while playing a game? I wouldn't mind the option, but it's not worth a couple hundred dollars to me. I'd get a Venice or San Diego core for now.

I probably wouldn't seriously consider a dual core system until AMD launches the M2 socket next year. It will use DDR2, so any current motherboards & chipsets will probably be obsolete at that time. And I would bet it wont be until then, or close to then, that the prices of the X2 chips will drop.

One last note. I think the reason Intel is able to offer cheaper duals is because they have the ability to manufacture many times more chips than AMD. Their dual core CPUs use cores another step or two down the ladder of the single cores, and therefore can be made cheaper and in higher numbers. All dual core processors right now have cores that seem to be identical to their single-core siblings. The X2s are just Venice/San Diego cores, but two of them on one chip. I think that in a year or two, this will change significantly. As their engineers begin to design cores specifically for multi-core use, I bet we will see steps taken to reduce costs while still maintaining a higher performance. The only thing I can think of right now would be shared caches, but I'm no electrical engineer.

Post by **Kills On Site** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:03 am

Hum, makes me want to wait to get a new mobo, proc and video card. Will the new DDR2 mobos still be socket 939?

Post by **Psyche911** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:17 am

I don't think so.
I believe low-end Opterons will transition to the Socket 939 platform and M2 will be a new socket.

P.S.
Frustrating, aint it? :icon33:

Post by **Kills On Site** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:07 am

Very frustrating, cause I have been planning an upgrade and my Half-Life 2 hates my system, keep crashing, even when I have no overclock and all. Pisses me off

Post by **Psyche911** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:36 am

That sucks.
That game is very sensitive, if I overclock just a little too much, it'll crash like mad even when nothing else will.

I'd love to upgrade, but I just don't see a good time to do it...

Post by **AmIdYfReAk** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:11 am

sorry, Psyche911... Amd has said that the new(er) socket 939's are going to use DDR2..

and btw, this is NOT a good time to upgrade..

Post by **Psyche911** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:06 am

Then what's the socket M2?

I'm quite sure what I've said is accurate.

Post by **AmIdYfReAk** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:22 am

i'm not sure man, gimmie a min and i'll see what i can dig up

Post by **AmIdYfReAk** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:25 am

gah, i dont know where i seen it.. But i Swear i read a reletivly lengthy artical on what AMD is set to release, and im sure it said DDR2 on 939's.

to be truthfull, i havent heard any work on the M2 yet..

Post by **Psyche911** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:03 am

I believe (part of) the reason they were switching to the Socket M2 for the upper Athlon line was because the CPUs would need more pins to use DDR2 RAM, as the memory controller is on-die.

Maybe they'll somehow get the budget CPUs to work on 939 with DDR2? Single channel or something? Hell if I know. I guess we'll see in 9-12 months.

Post by **Kills On Site** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:06 am

I would be more pissed, but then I realized that I am broke right now and still need to save up for any upgrades so maybe by the time I will have some money the new stuff will be out

Post by **YourGrandpa** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 3:05 am

Psyche911 wrote:The FX aren't worth money for people who aren't avid overclockers. The FX-55 is the exact same CPU as the 4000+. The only difference is that the multiplier on the FX-55 is unlocked (there may be some changes in the manufacturing process, but the speed and cache are the same).

You're right about the virus scans, encodings, etc that allow full use of the computer while it's being done. But no single programs you probably use right now will see any benefit.

Do you want to encode DVDs while playing a game? I wouldn't mind the option, but it's not worth a couple hundred dollars to me. I'd get a Venice or San Diego core for now.

I probably wouldn't seriously consider a dual core system until AMD launches the M2 socket next year. It will use DDR2, so any current motherboards & chipsets will probably be obsolete at that time. And I would bet it wont be until then, or close to then, that the prices of the X2 chips will drop.

One last note. I think the reason Intel is able to offer cheaper duals is because they have the ability to manufacture many times more chips than AMD. Their dual core CPUs use cores another step or two down the ladder of the single cores, and therefore can be made cheaper and in higher numbers. All dual core processors right now have cores that seem to be identical to their single-core siblings. The X2s are just Venice/San Diego cores, but two of them on one chip. I think that in a year or two, this will change significantly. As their engineers begin to design cores specifically for multi-core use, I bet we will see steps taken to reduce costs while still maintaining a higher performance. The only thing I can think of right now would be shared caches, but I'm no electrical engineer.

I believe it's the FX53 that's the same CPU as the 4000+.

Post by **Psyche911** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 3:33 am

You're right, it is.