USA. Your future is already here

Post by **Nightshade** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:27 am

zeeko wrote:go smoke some more weed you foreign retard... why do you waste so much time trying to think of ways to bash the US? are you that jealous? get a life you fucking nerd.

Stop sounding like George Bush, dummy. "People that hate surveillerancing obviously hate freedom."

Post by **Ryoki** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:52 am

Err, yeah. I'm all for liberty and stuff, but i just can't really see the problem with surveillance cameras - will someone explain to me exactly how cameras are taking away our rights? Because i can't help thinking of them as a very useful tool against crime on the streets.

Post by **SplishSplash** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:10 pm

Ryoki wrote:Err, yeah. I'm all for liberty and stuff, but i just can't really see the problem with surveillance cameras - will someone explain to me exactly how cameras are taking away our rights? Because i can't help thinking of them as a very useful tool against crime on the streets.

For the same reason people don't feel good about the government looking into their bank accounts. It's really just none of their business.

Post by **Ryoki** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:37 pm

But i rather think it is the goverments business to keep the streets safe.

I can also think of scenarios where looking into people's bank accounts may be a clever thing to do (hello there sir, how did you buy a new Porsche whilst you are unemployed?)

Post by **4days** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 1:19 pm

Ryoki wrote:Err, yeah. I'm all for liberty and stuff, but i just can't really see the problem with surveillance cameras - will someone explain to me exactly how cameras are taking away our rights? Because i can't help thinking of them as a very useful tool against crime on the streets.

it depends on who's watching them, and what the cameras are capable of (facial recognition etc).

cctv's been pretty good in the uk/europe so far - for preventing crimes from occurring, and for providing evidence when a crime has been committed.

if americans have the same sort of confidence in their law enforcement agencies that we do, then it shouldn't be a problem - but the leftist conspiracy part of me thinks that maybe some of those agenices (fbi/cia not regular cops) won't handle the power as well as the uk/europe have done. i know that's being a bit bigoted, but america's current public image of being run by paranoid incompetents doesn't inspire much confidence.

that aside, there's also a lot more potential for things to get all letigious in the states than there is here.

Post by **Ryoki** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:22 pm

Hmm, yes...food for thought *ponders issue*

Post by **bitWISE** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:58 pm

:lol: I love the part where he thinks the private sector uses cheap ass b/w cameras. No doubt the employees would have fun using the cameras but PTZ cameras are not a new thing.

I don't really have a big problem with public cameras. I can't think of a single thing I would be doing in public that I wouldn't mind being seen doing (Thats why I'm doing it in public!!).

Post by **horton** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:11 pm

SplishSplash wrote:
For the same reason people don't feel good about the government looking into their bank accounts. It's really just none of their business.

dont be silly.
its most certainly someones business to see who committed a crime, so they can be prevent from committing another.

when people are 100% honest, you might have a valid arguement, until that day, its the (much) lesser of 2 evils.

you might as well say, why the fuck should someone search my bag before i get on a plane, i dont have a bomb, what i have in my bag is private.

you want privacy, stay at home.

Post by **Giraffe }{unter** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:18 pm

:icon19:

We have one of them on our building

Post by **horton** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:27 pm

having said that.......

i used to live close to the beach in uk, i would sit their with my gf kissing her and shit, and cameras would follow us around loads. they were operated by someone and he was more interested in seeing if i got her tits out, than if someone was doing something illegal.

Post by **bitWISE** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:32 pm

horton wrote:having said that.......

i used to live close to the beach in uk, i would sit their with my gf kissing her and shit, and cameras would follow us around loads. they were operated by someone and he was more interested in seeing if i got her tits out, than if someone was doing something illegal.

This man speaks the truth

Post by **Iccy (temp)** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:27 pm

Good thing i plan to end my days in costa rica or something.

Post by **Underpants?** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:41 pm

feedback wrote:The people who think "Well I have nothing to hide" aren'

I just had to reiterate the subtle but profound truth in this statement.

Post by **Chupacabra** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:27 pm

Ryoki wrote:Err, yeah. I'm all for liberty and stuff, but i just can't really see the problem with surveillance cameras - will someone explain to me exactly how cameras are taking away our rights? Because i can't help thinking of them as a very useful tool against crime on the streets.

Ryoki wrote:But i rather think it is the goverments business to keep the streets safe.

I can also think of scenarios where looking into people's bank accounts may be a clever thing to do (hello there sir, how did you buy a new Porsche whilst you are unemployed?)

well, i think many people are missing the problem that some people have with it.

the problem arises when the system goes bad or is handled improperly. it gets even worse when combined with other systems like the patriot act and shit. if you want to know more about it, im sure you can go out there and find some anti-big brother literature and whatnot.

besides, if you were talking or even meeting with some friends about some anti-government stuff (how youre unhappy about the current system or something), think of how badly you could be potentially cracked down--maybe be thrown into Gitmo or something. people feel that they cant really be "free" even though theyre not doing anything overtly harmful or illegal.

also, instead of always finding whatever the government wants to find, it somehow, potentially makes everyone a suspect. or atleast this is how many people feel. how would you feel if all your phone conversations were monitered? sure youre not talking about some anti-government stuff (and even if you were, that should be ok), but wouldnt that make you feel odd? a lot of people feel pyschologically restricted and believe that they arent free in mind or spirit or whatever. even though you can say that they shouldnt feel that way, i think you have to acknowledge that it happens to people and you have to address that.

anyway, im not totally arguing about all this stuff. just trying to point out why some people have a problem with cameras all about and shit (which is important to understand IMO).

Post by **stocktroll** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:46 am

People who are obsessed with privacy are delusionary morons who dont realize that the goverment or anyone else doesnt care about your pathetic john doe life enough to try and eavesdrop on you.

Post by **losCHUNK** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:02 am

k... cameras... whats the big fucking deal ey ?

its just a bunch of cams in the streets, i bet youve all walked passed a perv thats worse than the bloke on the other end of the cam

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:03 am

depends on if he's a pervert cause if he is then he's like a pervert with the tools.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:03 am

I dunno about you but if I had all those high mounted cameras set up everywhere I'd be checking out all the clevage I could.

Post by **losCHUNK** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:03 am

yer but he also has to go for a jog to be anywhere near me

Post by **bitWISE** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:38 am

Kracus wrote:I dunno about you but if I had all those high mounted cameras set up everywhere I'd be checking out all the clevage I could.

So? I'm 6'6" and get the same great cleavage shots just walking around.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:42 am

bitWISE wrote:
Kracus wrote:I dunno about you but if I had all those high mounted cameras set up everywhere I'd be checking out all the clevage I could.
So? I'm 6'6" and get the same great cleavage shots just walking around.

Yeah but people can see you staring

Post by **Canidae** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:25 am

horton wrote:having said that.......

i used to live close to the beach in uk, i would sit their with my gf kissing her and shit, and cameras would follow us around loads. they were operated by someone and he was more interested in seeing if i got her tits out, than if someone was doing something illegal.

I can attest to that since I've observed and done so myself with a bank of controllable, zoomable set of security cameras when nice looking gals have come within range.
So basically all terrorists have to do is distract security camera operators with a few paid makeout performers, it seems.

Post by **YourGrandpa** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:42 am

Sorry, I didn't read the entire thread. But doesn't London have cameras all over the place that they used to determine who most of the bombers were?

Post by **Canidae** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:50 am

YourGrandpa wrote:Sorry, I didn't read the entire thread. But doesn't London have cameras all over the place that they used to determine who most of the bombers were?

I'll bet you're one of those guys who ONLY read the scrolling words on CNN, aren't you?
Yes.

Post by **YourGrandpa** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:04 am

Canidae wrote:I'll bet you're one of those guys who ONLY read the scrolling words on CNN, aren't you?
Yes.

Wouldn't that imply that I paid extra attention? Seeing how I'd be LISTENING to the CNN broadcast while also READING the scroll at the bottom of the screen.