Internet 2

Post by **Canis** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:43 pm

Whatever happened to it? Wasnt it supposed to be the big revolutionary thing to increase speeds by multitudes and magnitudes?

Post by **seremtan** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:47 pm

i heard it was a conspiracy to turn our beloved internet into a giant global billboard for evil corporations but that could've been the tinfoil talking

Post by **R00k** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:55 pm

I thought it was supposed to be a crappy, over-hyped sequel that made people realize how much they really appreciated the first one.

Post by **MKJ** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:00 pm

"making" a better internet is like saying we'll get Car 2.0

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:01 pm

sure.

Post by **dzjepp** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:03 pm

Internet 2 is good if that's all...

Post by **MKJ** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:05 pm

dzjepp wrote:Internet 2 is good if that's all...

*reaches in bag-o-tricks*

oh here we go:

Internet2 got cancelled

Post by **simple** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:25 pm

If I remember right. The internet 2 was a government funded project to run fiber into every house and home in america. The collages, army bases, air-force bases would be the major back bone. Distributing internet to jcs, and other major cites buildings. Witch in-turn would distribute internet services to every around them.

I think they successfully ran fiber into many majors areas. But then they encountered heavy resistances. Phone companies, cable companies, and their subsidiaries tied the project up in court. Preventing further work, and depleting funds. Mean while they used their economic might to get the government to roll over and cut funding for the project.

A few years later the dark fiber defaults and is put up for sell at a fraction of the installation price. Guess who buys the dark fiber? Cable, phone companies and their subsidiaries. In short the us public payed for fiber, and then had it stolen by the phone companies. Witch has, or will, uses the fiber to make lucrative profit of the us public.

Post by **Canis** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:28 pm

So they essentially were successful at installing a high-speed backbone which private companies are using to provide users with high-speed internet?

Post by **[FTF]Pyro** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:34 pm

http://www2.microsoft.com

Post by **Dr_Watson** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:38 pm

my university has internet2
its not that special

Post by **[FTF]Pyro** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:43 pm

Dr_Watson wrote:my university has internet2
its not that special

the university or the internet 2

Post by **Nightshade** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:52 pm

Pffft, it'll never be as good as the book.

Post by **dzjepp** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:57 pm

I think viruseater was the one that said the fiber infrastructure is already there, but it's gonna take big bucks to light it all up.

Post by **Dr_Watson** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:01 pm

[FTF]Pyro wrote:
Dr_Watson wrote:my university has internet2
its not that special
the university or the internet 2

they have an institute for the deaf on campus... so i suppose you could say the university is "special"

Post by **mik0rs** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:06 pm

LOL INTERNET 2

Post by **axbaby** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:30 pm

CIA FBI AND THE CANADIAN ROYAL MOUNTED POLICE ACADEMY AS A MAJOR BACKBONE.

SOUNDS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE

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lol internet2

Post by **Nightshade** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:32 pm

dzjepp wrote:I think viruseater was the one that said the fiber infrastructure is already there, but it's gonna take big bucks to light it all up.

As far as the fiber being there, that's a fact. There are thousands of miles of dark fiber in the US. There's no real need for the added capacity at the moment, at least not one that's going to make any serious money.

Post by **R00k** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:34 pm

I don't understand. If the fiber is already there, could it be that much more expensive just to use it? I know hardware has to be upgraded and that sort of thing, but I'm sure that would get passed on to consumers who want faster speeds.

So what gives?

Post by **Nightshade** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:37 pm

There's no real impetus to employ all the added bandwidth. At least none that I can see. I doubt major ISPs care that nerds like us want to download shit THAT much faster at the moment.
They're probably waiting for the next inter-cash cow to come along and kickstart the need for fatter pipes.

Post by **Canis** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:40 pm

Isnt it the switches and interconnects that cost so much? I'd expect the switching hardware in place just isnt capable of using all the available fiber, and adding more switching/routing capability would cost quite a bit.

Post by **R00k** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:44 pm

Nightshade wrote:There's no real impetus to employ all the added bandwidth. At least none that I can see. I doubt major ISPs care that nerds like us want to download shit THAT much faster at the moment.
They're probably waiting for the next inter-cash cow to come along and kickstart the need for fatter pipes.

Yea, that's a good point. If a project came along that would enable them to make a lot of profit off of high-speed connectivity I'm sure they'd see good reason to start using it then.

Hmm, I wonder what that will be. It seems inevitable.

Post by **Nightshade** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:50 pm

Canis wrote:Isnt it the switches and interconnects that cost so much? I'd expect the switching hardware in place just isnt capable of using all the available fiber, and adding more switching/routing capability would cost quite a bit.

Exactly. You squeeze a lot of bandwidth out of plain copper, but it's all the h/w required to do so that's spendy. With no immediately visible return on their invesment, there'e no reason for providers to upgrade.
I don't know how much the B2B internet market has grown/diminished, but I would hazard a guess that it's still not where it was before the dot com bust.
I remember seeing ads for all sorts of streaming video stuff and how Akamai especially was going to deliver tons of content to your home, and it all just sort of faded out.

Post by **[FTF]Pyro** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:55 pm

In the UK most new homes have Fibre Optics cable in them for telephone and internet

Post by **Canis** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:55 pm

Fiber optic telephones?