wrote a letter to the dev's...

Post by **reefsurfer** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:56 pm

Please do not discard this email since its important for both me, pro players, Q4 long livity and you the dev team.

Q4 is absolutly awsome and its everything i wanted it to be.. BUT(yes, there is always a but) in order to make this game more competitve please uncap the 60 fps limit.
Atleast set it to 85 since most monitors of today use that refresh rate.. Doom3 had this aswell but in that game it worked because it wasent as fast paced as the quake series is.

Quake has always been about speed.. Q2 was faster than Q3 but Q3 was still faster than Q4.. sure you guys wanna be fair to the guys that can only handle 60 refreshrate... but its not fair to us that can go higher.

Q4 needs to be faster... not in gameplay, spawning, rockets, switching.. but in general running speed..

Here is a tip, start a Q4 map that has HASTE.. grab that one and start running/jumping/strafing.. that is what Q3A is like for most of us when playing it.
EVERY SINGLE one that i have spoken to online hate the capped 60 fps limit.. alot of people hated that in Doom3.. and Doom3 isent big online anymore.

Mark my words.. if Q4 cant be fixed in a patch so it becomes faster.. the only thing that will be fast in Q4 is the players leaving the Q4 community.. Q4 cant just stand on its own with the name, it needs something that attracts the "real" players..

I've been playing Q2 and Q3 for over 5 years.. both competitve and for fun.. and i wanna enjoy 5 years with your game aswell.. but me and others probably wont if the speed/capped fps cant be fixed.
Sure there will be mods.. but it shouldent be nessecary if you(the devs) listen to your fans even more.

thx for reading.

Post by **Grudge** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:01 pm

hey reef, just buy a LCD screen

Post by **reefsurfer** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:02 pm

Grudge wrote:hey reef, just buy a LCD screen

I got one...

Post by **o'dium** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:07 pm

Yo ucant uncap it. If you uncap it (like we could in doom) then physics fuck up and strange shit happens. Not just physics either.

60 frames is fine, most of you cant even reach that.

Post by **reefsurfer** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:13 pm

riddla wrote:Quake 4 is faster than Q3.

Its fast.. gameplay and everything, but i can not achive the speed that i could in Q3.. riddle, use the Haste in Q4 on a map..start one up and start running when y got the haste, turn around, strafe, rj etc.. that is exactly how my Q3 feel.

Post by **DooMer** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:14 pm

The speed is fine. change your fov.

Post by **Don Carlos** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:15 pm

riddla wrote:Quake 4 is faster than Q3.

No it aint

Post by **MKJ** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:19 pm

having a higher FPS doesnt increase gamespeed yknow

also the only people who hate the 60fps limit are those who think a 125fps is a nessecity to play the game properly, like it was in q3.

Post by **d3fin3d** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:22 pm

reefsurfer wrote:
riddla wrote:Quake 4 is faster than Q3.
Its fast.. gameplay and everything, but i can not achive the speed that i could in Q3.. riddle, use the Haste in Q4 on a map..start one up and start running when y got the haste, turn around, strafe, rj etc.. that is exactly how my Q3 feel.

maybe this is because Q4 is locked at 110 fov. I use 100 fov in both Q3 and Q4 and Q4 with haste is like Q3 on some serious speed (and yes I know how to strafe jump properly). So I really dont understand how you see Q4 haste the same as Q3 base unless you have a low FPS, a different fov in Q3 to Q4, or both?

Hmm.

Post by **Grudge** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:26 pm

reefsurfer wrote:
Grudge wrote:hey reef, just buy a LCD screen
I got one...

What are you on about having a 85Hz refresh rate then? There's no need for 85 fps gameplay-wise since the game tics at 60fps anyways, and the only reason you would ever need a 85Hz refresh rate is if you have a CRT and want to enable vsync @ 85Hz (and you have a graphics card that can output a steady >85 fps).

Post by **nightwing** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:31 pm

reefsurfer wrote:
riddla wrote:Quake 4 is faster than Q3.
Its fast.. gameplay and everything, but i can not achive the speed that i could in Q3.. riddle, use the Haste in Q4 on a map..start one up and start running when y got the haste, turn around, strafe, rj etc.. that is exactly how my Q3 feel.

It's not Quake 3 . Time to move on and adapt :icon31:

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:37 pm

DooMer wrote:The speed is fine. change your fov.

Sounds like a plan.

Post by **reefsurfer** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:38 pm

I got owned in my own thread.. fucking cunts! :icon33:

Post by **Grudge** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:39 pm

sorry

Post by **reefsurfer** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:43 pm

I did this, v-sync off and 110 fov, had v-sync on and 105 fov before, and i must say it became a tad faster..

Hate the image tearing though.. :icon33:

Post by **Grudge** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:45 pm

You'll get used to it. I've played without vsync since I got Win XP, and I don't notice it anymore.

Post by **Jenny** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:05 pm

"EVERY SINGLE one that i have spoken to online hate the capped 60 fps limit"

How many people did u ask ? :< I'm all for 60fps.

Post by **Foo** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:43 pm

Ey reef, stop pretending you speak for 'pro players' and think you know what's good for the dev team, lol.

I for one think the 60FPS cap levels the playing field, and that's more beneficial to any competitive community than being able to get huge FPS.

Post by **Tormentius** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:12 pm

Foo wrote:Ey reef, stop pretending you speak for 'pro players' and think you know what's good for the dev team, lol.

I for one think the 60FPS cap levels the playing field, and that's more beneficial to any competitive community than being able to get huge FPS.

Couldn't agree more :icon14:

Post by **R00k** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:51 pm

Not to mention that 125fps is completely useless in any game aside from Q3 to begin with. It's arbitrary because of a physics bug in the Q3 game code.

Post by **D|S-Syn-** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:15 pm

btw, emailing id software and saying you 'speak for pro players' or 'i am a pro player' is the fastest way to get your email ignored. I think they have an email filter on 'pro player' to send those to the trash automatically.

id software doesn't care about the pro-gaming community and probably never will care as much as we all would like them to. They do what they can to make the game how the general public wants it with a competitive edge, but not too much to scare away the average casual gamer.

Post by **akiraZ** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:07 pm

R00k wrote:Not to mention that 125fps is completely useless in any game aside from Q3 to begin with. It's arbitrary because of a physics bug in the Q3 game code.

although, that one guy here that works at raven keeps saying q4 uses the exact same math as q3. which would mean the bug still exists, if you could uncap it....muahaha

Post by **R00k** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:37 pm

Nah, I think they artificially reproduced the original bug, so they can probably make it work however they want.

Post by **reefsurfer** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:58 pm

D|S-Syn- wrote:btw, emailing id software and saying you 'speak for pro players' or 'i am a pro player' is the fastest way to get your email ignored. I think they have an email filter on 'pro player' to send those to the trash automatically.

id software doesn't care about the pro-gaming community and probably never will care as much as we all would like them to. They do what they can to make the game how the general public wants it with a competitive edge, but not too much to scare away the average casual gamer.

I havent emailed ID since THEY HAVENT made the game, you moron, get your facts straight before you start acting bad ass..
And i never said I was a pro player.. and YES everyone i have spoken to online..EVERYONE hates the 60 cap... and YES Q3 with 125fps is faster than Q4 in SPEED/MANOUVERS.

Post by **reefsurfer** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:00 pm

Foo wrote:Ey reef, stop pretending you speak for 'pro players' and think you know what's good for the dev team, lol.

I for one think the 60FPS cap levels the playing field, and that's more beneficial to any competitive community than being able to get huge FPS.

When have i pretended i speak for the pro's?
When have I EVER said IM A PRO player?
Im avarge at best.... but Q4 needs faster speed/manouvers or it will be to much Doom3 in that department.