Mark Rein disses Rev/PS3 controllers, EA, and Activision

Post by **zewulf** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 2:04 am

http://gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=12577

Post by **_borsdy** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 2:16 am

Lol, graphics don't make a good game.

Post by **Canis** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 2:32 am

Whoever the fuck is Mark Rein?

Post by **eepberries** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 2:34 am

Epic Games

Since when are they the leader in the video games market? What a fucking joke.

Post by **Freakaloin** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:40 am

zewulf wrote:http://gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=12577

MORON ALERT!!!...

Post by **Audio** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 9:11 am

LOL

Guess who he worked for before epic?

Yup - Carmac at id.

He does exactly what hes paid to do, hype epic products and talk shit indirectly about competitors. Hes been an industry loud mouth since id days.

Normal mapping will own your asses btw.

Post by **o'dium** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:52 am

Good lad I say, he had some good points that have just been blown waaaaaaaaaaaaay out into space.

HOLY HONEST OPINION BATMAN!

Post by **Foo** » Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:53 am

Lol, what he's saying is awesome.

Post by **Eraser** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:46 am

Rein then conducted a quick audience survey to find out how many people present owned a GameCube - and found that rather a large number of hands were raised.

He then asked everyone who also owned a PS2 or Xbox to put their hands down - and concluded that under ten per cent of the audience were Cube owners only.

"Hard to make a business on less than 10 per cent," Rein said.

He's missing the point right there.
Why would Nintendo or any game developer care if a cube owner has no other consoles. As long as cube owners keep buying gamecube games there's no problem.

His reasoning is flawed.

Additionally, Nintendo has ever since half-way the Gamecube's lifecycle aimed at a low price point so it would be an attractive option as second console. The "Hey it's so cheap why not" factor.

Post by **mjrpes** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:02 am

Eraser wrote:
He's missing the point right there.
Why would Nintendo or any game developer care if a cube owner has no other consoles. As long as cube owners keep buying gamecube games there's no problem.

His reasoning is flawed.

What he did is a little on the spot statistical manipulation. Once many people raised their hand to his initial question he thought to himself "OH SHIT I CAN'T SAY GAMECUBE USER BASE IS SMALL". So then he added in the extra bit, where he told people who owned another console to lower their hand. Now that only a few people still had their hand raised, he could continue and say that "GAMECUBE USER BASE IS SO SMALL IT IS SHIT AND REVOLUTION IS GOING TO DIE A FUCKING HORRIBLE DEATH OH MY GOD LAUGHING OUT LOUD WHAT THE FUCK".

Post by **4days** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:37 am

Audio wrote:He does exactly what hes paid to do, hype epic products and talk shit indirectly about competitors. Hes been an industry loud mouth since id days.

yes, that's exactly what a vice-president does :icon27:

Post by **Grudge** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:39 am

yes it is

Post by **KingManULTRA** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:01 pm

If more than half of the people raised their hands as owning a Gamecube, how is that only 10% of the market?

btw, the guy's just pissed because he thinks he has the next generation figured out, having sold his graphics engine to both MS and Sony. Nintendo, however, has the potential to be something entirely unexpected.

Post by **MKJ** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:03 pm

hey doc watson

Post by **Eraser** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:04 pm

MKJ wrote:hey doc watson

no man, it's KingManULTRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

recognize!

Post by **MKJ** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:07 pm

omg you are right. that icon confuzzles me everytime!!1oneeleventythree

Post by **Foo** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:13 pm

KingManULTRA wrote:If more than half of the people raised their hands as owning a Gamecube, how is that only 10% of the market?

btw, the guy's just pissed because he thinks he has the next generation figured out, having sold his graphics engine to both MS and Sony. Nintendo, however, has the potential to be something entirely unexpected.

Yeah, as they always have done, and will continue to do.

Problem is, when Nintendos products finally do drop, they're alright. By definition I can't say 'nothing special' because Nintendos stuff is unique, but they're never really revolutionary to the point of drowing their competitors. They're always just 'heh, yeah that's pretty cool', then sell a mediocre amount of units.

I dont see the Revolution gaining any more steam than the DS.

Post by **Eraser** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:24 pm

Foo wrote: Problem is, when Nintendos products finally do drop, they're alright. By definition I can't say 'nothing special' because Nintendos stuff is unique, but they're never really revolutionary to the point of drowing their competitors. They're always just 'heh, yeah that's pretty cool', then sell a mediocre amount of units.

yea but the so-manieth Final Fantasy or Unreal Tournament game with just a bunch of better graphics isn't exactly revolutionary either. I haven't seen anything on either PS3 or XBox that's revolutionary.

I'm not saying that the Revolution is revolutionary either. I doubt anything gaming-related can be revolutionary these days. However, at the least I'd call it evolutionary. If it's succesful I don't know, but at least Nintendo are trying to do something different than what everyone has been doing for the past 10 years.

Foo wrote: I dont see the Revolution gaining any more steam than the DS.

Yet the DS sold better than pretty much any console ever released before it and numerous titles for the platform have smashed all records world wide.

Nintendo isn't doing anything wrong in that area at all. They're being succesful, probably even more so than Microsoft. The next generation might change that, I don't know, but so far Nintendo is the only company of the three to make a steady profit.

Post by **Foo** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:30 pm

Eraser wrote:

TBH I'm not really defending Mr Rein's little anti-Revolution nonsense, more the stupidity of people who come around generation after generation and declare that Nintendo will put out something fucking amazing that will leave Sony etc in ruins and that Nintendo are the mysterious fucking ninja black sheep, or some shit.

It's just bollocks. They produce alright games platforms that sell reasonably well, but the bullshit that surrounds their 'unique' approaches and the nonsense some people spout in blind support are just achingly dumb.

Post by **MKJ** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:34 pm

..ow youve done it

Post by **Eraser** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:07 pm

Foo wrote:
Eraser wrote:
TBH I'm not really defending Mr Rein's little anti-Revolution nonsense, more the stupidity of people who come around generation after generation and declare that Nintendo will put out something fucking amazing that will leave Sony etc in ruins and that Nintendo are the mysterious fucking ninja black sheep, or some shit.

It's just bollocks. They produce alright games platforms that sell reasonably well, but the bullshit that surrounds their 'unique' approaches and the nonsense some people spout in blind support are just achingly dumb.

Hmm that's a bit black/white, but in general I agree.
Nintendo is indeed not some sleeping giant that will blow away the competition. The fight over videogame dominance will primarily be fought between Microsoft and Sony. I think Nintendo will just fill up those empty spots among the rubble and I think there will be a large number of empty spots for Nintendo to fill up.

I do feel that Nintendo brings something different to the table and, for me at least, that which they've done in the past year is far more interesting than any number of polygons MS and Sony can throw at the screen.

Post by **R00k** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:48 pm

Nintendo is the only company willing to take risks and bring new things to the console market that are unique to the console market.
Sony has been fairly innovative, but they have lost some of that recently. Microsoft just brings all their Hasbro-interface PC improvements into the console market.

The Revolution controller actually has a real chance to be revolutionary if it is done well - not saying it necessarily will be, but that it can, with the ideas Nintendo has brought out so far.
Remember, you're not talking about some gimmicky little magic wand like the Power Glove. This takes a classic game controller and builds on it. You take a console controller, then you make it where the controller can recognize pitch, yaw and tilt. That's fairly impressive. Then you make it wireless. Then as an added bonus, you put sensors in it so your console can tell where the controller is at any given time, making it useful as a gun (or golf club, throwing a grappling hook rope, lassoing something, playing as Scorpion in Mortal Kombat, a sword, fishing pole etc).

I think the way Nintendo presented their controller - i.e. by first showing it as some kind of magical wand - has kept a lot of people from seeing the potential it could have.

At any rate, Mark Rein is an idiot, even if I do agree with some of the points he made.

Post by **Chupacabra** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:08 pm

R00k wrote:Nintendo is the only company willing to take risks and bring new things to the console market that are unique to the console market.
Sony has been fairly innovative, but they have lost some of that recently. Microsoft just brings all their Hasbro-interface PC improvements into the console market.

The Revolution controller actually has a real chance to be revolutionary if it is done well - not saying it necessarily will be, but that it can, with the ideas Nintendo has brought out so far.
Remember, you're not talking about some gimmicky little magic wand like the Power Glove. This takes a classic game controller and builds on it. You take a console controller, then you make it where the controller can recognize pitch, yaw and tilt. That's fairly impressive. Then you make it wireless. Then as an added bonus, you put sensors in it so your console can tell where the controller is at any given time, making it useful as a gun (or golf club, throwing a grappling hook rope, lassoing something, playing as Scorpion in Mortal Kombat, a sword, fishing pole etc).

I think the way Nintendo presented their controller - i.e. by first showing it as some kind of magical wand - has kept a lot of people from seeing the potential it could have.

At any rate, Mark Rein is an idiot, even if I do agree with some of the points he made.

how has sony been fairly innovative?

Post by **R00k** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:11 pm

Well they were the first to come out with a slim line console, and the first to use a DVD standard for media (and be able to play DVDs on your console).

Their controller was also innovative.

Post by **Chupacabra** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:23 pm

What about Nintendo stream lining the NES and SNES way back in the day?

or Sega slimming down the genesis?

Sony was the first to use dvd because Nintendo announced that they would use DVDs and you can watch them for the project dolphin. So then Sony decided to do the same. nintendo then decided its not worth it to use dvds.

unfortunately i can't find the articles as this was a long ass time ago.

how is the controller innovative?

the shoulder buttons they took from nintendo. and later the analog as well. oh and throw in rumble feature.

the only thing that i'm not certain about is the handle on the controller. i have the feeling that PC controllers were doing that before Sony but I dont want to say definitely because I am not sure. so i will concede this point unless someone states otherwise.

i'm not trying to pull a fanboy move or anything on you. i give credit where credit is due. sony deserves a lot of credit for making video games more mainstream (which to be honest im not sure if thats a good thing or bad thing) and they have done some other stuff. but sony being innovative? now that i disagree with.

Mark Rein disses Rev/PS3 controllers, EA, and Activision

Mark Rein disses Rev/PS3 controllers, EA, and Activision

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