I’ve had a sniff around and it does look like there is at least some interest from players in the EU when it comes to a competitive scene.
The only problem is that I’m seeing a lot of teams that will probably implode. A few of the recognised teams have come out of the woodwork, I know that teams like [cs] and Mr are active in clanbase as I type, but I’m slights disappointed at the turnout. I do understand that with Q4 being new reputations to take a step back but when I see rB representing the UK in the eurocup I can’t help but wonder if the scene is ever going to be able to match Q3 despite the amount of time it runs for.
Is anybody here actively playing in the TDM leagues, and if so, are they showing any signs of promise?
Q4 Clan Scene?
Ezekiel first of all Q4 is very very young, especially in Europe and it took Q1,2,3 much longer to get this many TDM clans active.
Your saying about how Q4 isn't matching Q3 since you can't see enough Q3 clans. This doesn't make much sense.
"see rB representing the UK in the eurocup"
They were decent in Q3, so had an advantage over non previous quake clans in Q4. They could have even been playing 24/7 since Q4 was released for all you know. They could have even recruited uber new players, which I know they have.. "snoopz" and "vetch". So please don't critisise teams if you don't know the facts. btw, they pasted another UK big name fielded team "levitation" to qualify for eurocup.
There were never many UK TDM teams in EC though, usually two or three at a time? I remember 4k, iron, CS, unr, DC. Atm, we have rB, 4k, dignitas(european but uk players), not a bad start.
Your saying about how Q4 isn't matching Q3 since you can't see enough Q3 clans. This doesn't make much sense.
"see rB representing the UK in the eurocup"
They were decent in Q3, so had an advantage over non previous quake clans in Q4. They could have even been playing 24/7 since Q4 was released for all you know. They could have even recruited uber new players, which I know they have.. "snoopz" and "vetch". So please don't critisise teams if you don't know the facts. btw, they pasted another UK big name fielded team "levitation" to qualify for eurocup.
There were never many UK TDM teams in EC though, usually two or three at a time? I remember 4k, iron, CS, unr, DC. Atm, we have rB, 4k, dignitas(european but uk players), not a bad start.
I think one of the problems we're seeing is the rise of the all-star b0rg clans. It's always been there in some small way (King spring to mind for those that followed the uk q2ctf scene, and of course p1mps from Q3) but with the big money some of the leagues/tournies are offering now, and the sponsorship some clans can offer, all the big names are clan-hopping and forming uber-l33t clans. So the number of top clans diminishes, and the gap between them and those in the next tier becomes larger.
It's not too bad in a competition like CB eurocup, which is basically there for these clans, but it could be very damaging for domestic leagues. Will these clans even play in competitions with no cash prizes ? If they do, who on earth would want to be the 'filler' clans in the top divisions on the end of an ass-whooping every week ?
Obviously a new game will no doubt unearth new stars, but how long before they get snapped up and get to throw AMD/Intel/ATi etc before their names ?
It's not too bad in a competition like CB eurocup, which is basically there for these clans, but it could be very damaging for domestic leagues. Will these clans even play in competitions with no cash prizes ? If they do, who on earth would want to be the 'filler' clans in the top divisions on the end of an ass-whooping every week ?
Obviously a new game will no doubt unearth new stars, but how long before they get snapped up and get to throw AMD/Intel/ATi etc before their names ?
The only big name I’m seeing for Levitation is r2k and perhaps Rev. I also know that rB have recruited some talent, they put the icing on the team when they recruited Messiah – he played for TDM for my lot in Q3 and I know that he will be a cornerstone for rB when he finds his feet.Jenny wrote:"see rB representing the UK in the eurocup"
They were decent in Q3, so had an advantage over non previous quake clans in Q4. They could have even been playing 24/7 since Q4 was released for all you know. They could have even recruited uber new players, which I know they have.. "snoopz" and "vetch". So please don't critisise teams if you don't know the facts. btw, they pasted another UK big name fielded team "levitation" to qualify for eurocup.
The UK only ever had a few teams in the EC because there were only a small handful of players that could cut it at that level – Gun, Violator, Mist, Vorv, Dave and their ilk were already playing for the big teams and as a result it was a lot harder for a team with a UK based line up to get into the competition and do well. Rob*’s [cs] team were by no means a bad side at all (more than capable of giving any league side a run for their money) but they were left treading water with a British team when they qualified.
Jenny wrote:Ezekiel first of all Q4 is very very young, especially in Europe and it took Q1,2,3 much longer to get this many TDM clans active.
Your saying about how Q4 isn't matching Q3 since you can't see enough Q3 clans. This doesn't make much sense.
"see rB representing the UK in the eurocup"
They were decent in Q3, so had an advantage over non previous quake clans in Q4. They could have even been playing 24/7 since Q4 was released for all you know. They could have even recruited uber new players, which I know they have.. "snoopz" and "vetch". So please don't critisise teams if you don't know the facts. btw, they pasted another UK big name fielded team "levitation" to qualify for eurocup.
There were never many UK TDM teams in EC though, usually two or three at a time? I remember 4k, iron, CS, unr, DC. Atm, we have rB, 4k, dignitas(european but uk players), not a bad start.
Compared to Q3 after its release, Q4 seems to have died down very quickly, not to mention many of us played q3test for 6/7 months until q3's offical release
Not sure if this has anything to do with Q4 its self or the fact theres so many online games around, while when q3 came out there was only really quakes, ut and hl
Dozens of MMORPG's, games like WC3, wouldn't know... Starcraft (Broodwar) even has a very steady and significant player base (great game btw (trigger maps)).Drexy wrote:Not sure if this has anything to do with Q4 its self or the fact theres so many online games around, while when q3 came out there was only really quakes, ut and hl
Me too.Lenard wrote:I did played sc for a while... it rocked me. Still waiting for sc2!!
Damn Blizzard! Someone should beat their love of fantasy out of them with the sci-fi stick!I know people that played Q3 fanatically that are playing WoW now btw. The sinners don't have the system to play Q4 either i think.
the fact is this isnt quake.Drexy wrote: Not sure if this has anything to do with Q4 its self or the fact theres so many online games around, while when q3 came out there was only really quakes, ut and hl
its an fps game that just happens to have the name "quake" attached to it.
why id let this game get released like this is beyond me.
why they let someone else make a game then let them call it "quake" is beyond me aswell.
id's way of releasing a things has always been "when it's finished."...what happened to that?
I have been playing the sp portion because I cant stand the mp at this point in time. the sp is fun, in small doses, but I buy id games for the multiplayer.
I guess that was my mistake though...this isnt an id game, its a raven game.
Willits, Carmack? Why?
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aye over on this side of the pond, we have more than a few that say they'll be giving it 6 months or so before giving it another look.
The mod developments can only improve things as far as i am concerned - the engine is fundementally sound imo (minor flaws aside), it gives the teams something solid to work with - and with tweaks and new maps, interest will flourish.
Q3 ran for so long it afforded regular players the luxury of being lazy with their hardware upgrades - quake4 has been a shock for many concerned, and if they're not playign it now because of hardware issues, you can bet your bottom dollar its the first game they fire up when they build a new system
hehe my 2 cents worth anyway ...
The mod developments can only improve things as far as i am concerned - the engine is fundementally sound imo (minor flaws aside), it gives the teams something solid to work with - and with tweaks and new maps, interest will flourish.
Q3 ran for so long it afforded regular players the luxury of being lazy with their hardware upgrades - quake4 has been a shock for many concerned, and if they're not playign it now because of hardware issues, you can bet your bottom dollar its the first game they fire up when they build a new system
hehe my 2 cents worth anyway ...