The impending execution of Stanley "Tookie" Willia

Post by **Nightshade** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:12 am

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/12/natio ... ookie.html

He's the guy that founded the Crips, and was convicted in 1979 of four murders, by an all-white jury. Governor Terminator is pondering whether or not to commute his sentence to life without parole. Now, normally I say let 'em get the needle. But, there's a few things that stink in this case, such as the people that testified against him having gotten incentives to do so, and the fact that the jury was white. Hardly a trial by one's peers. Given the fact that this guy has reformed and done a fair bit of good for the community, I say spare him.
Thoughts?

Post by **Hannibal** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:17 am

I'm opposed to the death penalty, so there really isn't much for me to chew over on this one.

Post by **menkent** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:17 am

he can't get a fair trial unless the jury's all black? gang members? murderers?
i'm not saying he shouldn't be commuted, just that i won't be suprised if he gets his ticket punched.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:20 am

Hannibal wrote:I'm opposed to the death penalty, so there really isn't much for me to chew over on this one.

Indeed, but on what grounds? Questionable utility? Risk of executing an innocent person too great?

Post by **Foo** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:20 am

Hannibal wrote:I'm opposed to the death penalty, so there really isn't much for me to chew over on this one.

:icon14:

Post by **[xeno]Julios** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:22 am

menkent wrote:he can't get a fair trial unless the jury's all black? gang members? murderers?

confused at this statement.

did anyone (here or in another place) claim that it would only be fair unless they were ALL black?

i think they'd consider it fair if there was a balance.

Post by **Nightshade** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:25 am

menkent wrote:he can't get a fair trial unless the jury's all black? gang members? murderers?

Not at all, but if I was black, I'd be pissed if there weren't at least some black people on the jury.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:34 am

get rid of him. next.

Post by **Foo** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:00 am

you're next.

Post by **Denz** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:14 am

I think he should be spared.

Post by **Hannibal** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:23 am

Massive Quasars wrote: Indeed, but on what grounds? Questionable utility? Risk of executing an innocent person too great?

I haven't found any pro-death penalty arguments that are convincing.

Post by **TheBatGuy** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:26 am

what would you do if you were in jail with him and he told you he was gonna kill you when when he had the chance or feltlike it:

and if you say youd grab a shank and try killing him first how realistic are you being? Look at the size and probable raw strengh on him. The classic grab him by the neck and stab his gut I dont think would work that well as hed manhandle you, overpower the knife and stab you with it.

Post by **[xeno]Julios** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:29 am

how many years ago was he sentenced to death, and why has it taken so long to get round to killing him?

fucking cruel, making a person wait years to die.

Post by **TheBatGuy** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:30 am

this motherfucker was crazy. I looked up his wikipedia profile and run into this pdf file:
http://da.co.la.ca.us/pdf/swilliams.pdf

He was planning on blowing up a bus full of convicts and other crazy shit.

more stuff about him:
http://www.knowgangs.com/blog/tookie2.htm
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/death- ... 54272.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... G2P9F1.DTL

by the way the cripps are saying theyll start a riot and havoc if he egts executed and boycott Arnold's movies.

Post by **Foo** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:31 am

[xeno]Julios wrote:how many years ago was he sentenced to death, and why has it taken so long to get round to killing him?

fucking cruel, making a person wait years to die.

A large portion of the delay is the appeals process you numpty.

Post by **Canis** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:36 am

I'm against his execution on the basis that (to my knowledge) the crimes he was convicted for were based around more circumstantial evidence than factual evidence. As such, his execution bypasses the purpose of our system's involvement of " beyond a reasonable doubt". Regardless, had the system been used properly, or had been applied to other death-worthy crimes he admitted to having done, he would have been fried as well, and I'm all for it.

Post by **[xeno]Julios** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:37 am

we need AI to replace lawyers ffs...

Post by **Foo** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:41 am

[xeno]Julios wrote:we need AI to replace lawyers ffs...

DreidelNet begins learning at a geometric rate...

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:51 am

riddla wrote:He started the crips... hello??? I'd bet money he's killed before and probably is very deserving of the death penalty even if he was innocent of the crime for which he was convicted.

It's been a while... *clears throat*

Alabama justice at it's finest.

Post by **Massive Quasars** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:03 am

riddla wrote:try again, I said the word probably

Baby steps.

do you honestly think this guy is innocent of being a killer though?

I know almost nothing about the case. Though few seem to doubt his guilt, even his supporters from what I gather.

Post by **+JuggerNaut+** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:05 am

Foo wrote:you're next.

Post by **4days** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:48 am

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1396521

Post by **Nightshade** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:53 pm

TheBatGuy wrote:

What the hell does that have to do with anything we're discussing? Yes, he's big, and yes, he could kill you if he wanted to, totally irrelevant.

Post by **Dek** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:11 pm

They say he has redeemed himself by speaking out against violence and writing children's books on the evils of gang life. During his 24 years at San Quentin, the Crips street gang founder turned his life around to the point that a Swiss legislator, college professors and others repeatedly submitted his name for Nobel peace and literature prizes.

Anyone can be nominated for a nobel peace prize, that means absolutely squat.

So what if he's turned his life around, how bout the 4 peoples lives he took? Did they get a chance to even live their lives? No.

Hook em up. Eye for an eye.. need more prison space anyway.

Post by **Nightshade** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:21 pm

So you fell that there's no possibility that he didn't get a fair trial? That the good that he's done doesn't outweigh the harm? Do you believe in redemption?