Yeah, Islam can pretty much fuck right off
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United Nations secretary-general Kofi Annan has called on Muslims to restrain their anger over the publication of the caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed and show forgiveness.
"I appeal to Muslims ... to act with calm and dignity, to forgive the wrong they have suffered, and to seek peace rather than conflict," the UN chief said.
Mr Annan called on Muslims "to accept the apology that has been offered, and to act as I am sure Almighty God, who is compassionate and merciful, would wish them to do."
Archbishop Michael Fitzgerald, responsible for inter-faith dialogue at the Vatican, called on Muslims and Christians to cool off.
"We all have the responsibility not to increase tension and to calm spirits on both sides," he said.
The secretary-general of the Arab League, Amr Moussa, has appealed to the world's media to stop publishing the cartoons.
"I am with you, and I am for freedom of expression, but there are certain controls and certain principles," he said.
"You cannot insult people, this is part of a campaign to insult Islam. This is not the first time, it's a campaign."
lols the Islamic leader is the only one not calling for peace and a reasoned response. Imagine if Islamic spiritual leaders up and announced that it was an over reaction, and that muslims needed to show more maturity in their faith and its expression rather than continue to play the blame game, and avoid any responsibility in their role as leaders.
(quotes taken from ABC news website, Australia)
"I appeal to Muslims ... to act with calm and dignity, to forgive the wrong they have suffered, and to seek peace rather than conflict," the UN chief said.
Mr Annan called on Muslims "to accept the apology that has been offered, and to act as I am sure Almighty God, who is compassionate and merciful, would wish them to do."
Archbishop Michael Fitzgerald, responsible for inter-faith dialogue at the Vatican, called on Muslims and Christians to cool off.
"We all have the responsibility not to increase tension and to calm spirits on both sides," he said.
The secretary-general of the Arab League, Amr Moussa, has appealed to the world's media to stop publishing the cartoons.
"I am with you, and I am for freedom of expression, but there are certain controls and certain principles," he said.
"You cannot insult people, this is part of a campaign to insult Islam. This is not the first time, it's a campaign."
lols the Islamic leader is the only one not calling for peace and a reasoned response. Imagine if Islamic spiritual leaders up and announced that it was an over reaction, and that muslims needed to show more maturity in their faith and its expression rather than continue to play the blame game, and avoid any responsibility in their role as leaders.
(quotes taken from ABC news website, Australia)
"Liberty, what crimes are committed in your name."
This is sure to make matters worse:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international ... 01,00.html
The Muslim cartoons were already commissioned.
Either way, this kind of point-counterpoint is going to inflame the situation even further if this ridiculous shit doesn't stop.
And that starts with the Muslim leaders calling for some sanity and reason.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international ... 01,00.html
The difference being that the Jesus cartoons were unsolicited, meaning this guy walked in off the streets and tried to get them published - you can see why the paper would have refused, as they refuse most things people wander in and ask to be printed.Jyllands-Posten, the Danish newspaper that first published the cartoons of the prophet Muhammad that have caused a storm of protest throughout the Islamic world, refused to run drawings lampooning Jesus Christ, it has emerged today.
The Danish daily turned down the cartoons of Christ three years ago, on the grounds that they could be offensive to readers and were not funny.
In April 2003, Danish illustrator Christoffer Zieler submitted a series of unsolicited cartoons dealing with the resurrection of Christ to Jyllands-Posten.
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Zieler received an email back from the paper's Sunday editor, Jens Kaiser, which said: "I don't think Jyllands-Posten's readers will enjoy the drawings. As a matter of fact, I think that they will provoke an outcry. Therefore, I will not use them."
The Muslim cartoons were already commissioned.
Either way, this kind of point-counterpoint is going to inflame the situation even further if this ridiculous shit doesn't stop.
And that starts with the Muslim leaders calling for some sanity and reason.
Well said.lebomb wrote:Most of the problems in the middle east, even the 911 attacks stem from this bullshit Israel/palestinian problem. And they accuse the palestinians of being extremist? WEll, Ariel Sharon is a fucking extremist, alongside with every Israeli Prime Minister that came out of that extremist Likud party. And yeah it was hip to say, I hope Yasser ARafat dies, well I hope that extremist sharon dies too very soon. Im sorry, but Israeli tanks and bombs paid with US taxpayer money vs. a handful of homemade bombs is not a fair fight.
You would be attempting to gain sympathy towards the powers who wish to annihilate Islam by trying to generalize a certain religion as an enemy of the world.Nightshade wrote:Get real. Are you going to tell me that I'm implying that all muslims are terrorists if I draw a cartoon of a muslim wearing a bomb vest?
Why must it be that a cartoon lampooning muslim fundamentalist extremists has to be aimed at all muslims?
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Again, show that Jews are made fun of on a regular basis in public newspapers around the world. Just show me.Tormentius wrote:Thats irrelevant. Every other major world religion gets fun poked at it, thats part of a democratic society that espouses free speech.Geebs wrote: Plus, it wasn't "a muslim", it was the prophet mohammed
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Keep to forgiveness (O Mohammed), and enjoin kindness, and turn away from the ignorant. /- The Koran, Chapter 7, Verse 199
During his lifetime, Prophet Mohammed endured insults and ridicule on a daily basis. His opponents mocked his message and used physical violence to stop him from challenging the status quo.
At no stage during this ordeal did the Prophet lose his temper or react to these provocations. Tradition has it that he would, instead, offer a prayer of forgiveness to those who showed contempt for him.
Today, however, many followers of Prophet Mohammed are acting the exact opposite. Reacting to the provocative Danish cartoons about the Prophet, they are burning newspapers, threatening journalists, issuing bomb threats, yet claiming they are standing up for the Prophet himself.
I have seen the cartoons published by the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten. There is no question they are meant to hurt the feelings of Muslims. As I saw them, I had to restrain my anger. Once more, Muslims were being depicted as a violent people. (One particularly derisive cartoon showed the Prophet wearing a turban with a bomb inside it.)
No one in the Muslim community is willing to buy into the notion that these cartoons were not meant to promote racism against Muslims. The editors may say otherwise, but the community knows better when it is depicted as the "other," to be scorned and sidelined.
Caricaturing racial minorities has been a tradition in Europe and North America since long before it became acceptable to deride Muslims. In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, it wasn't uncommon to see Jews and blacks depicted negatively. Today, thanks to the great work of many civil rights and anti-racism activists, no newspaper would invoke press freedom to depict Jews and blacks or their leaders the way the Danish paper depicted the Prophet.
Having said that, the way some Muslims have reacted to the provocation leaves a lot to be desired. Provoked, they walked blindfolded into a trap set for them, and came out worse than what they started with.
In Canada, we had a similar case, if not of the same magnitude. In the mid-90s, a Toronto man distributed highly inflammatory literature against Islam and the Prophet. Unlike our European colleagues and some fanatics of the Middle East, Canadian Muslims took up the case with the police and the gentleman was charged under Ontario hate laws and convicted. End of story.
In the Danish case, the Arab world's reaction, led by the Egyptian government, suggests there is more to it than meets the eye. Thousands in the Arab world have protested against the publication of the cartoons. The Danish paper has received bomb threats. Two armed groups threatened yesterday to target Frenchmen and Norwegians in the Palestinian territories, as well as Danes, after the caricatures were published in their countries.
Many believe that Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak's government is acting not for the love for Islam, but for love of the power it has usurped for decades.
Egyptian-American journalist Mona Eltahawy, a regular columnist for the London newspaper Sharq AlAwsat, wrote in the Egyptian newspaper Al-Dastour: "Perhaps the Muslim governments who spearheaded the campaign -- led by Egypt -- felt this was an easy way to burnish their Islamic credentials at a time when domestic Islamists are stronger than they have been in many years."
For the Arab League to demand that the Danish government shut down the newspaper Jyllands-Posten shows how deeply entrenched dictatorial practices are in many Muslim countries. They are so accustomed to closing down their own newspapers, they could not understand why the Danish government could not issue a decree closing the Jyllands-Posten.
This posturing by Arab governments and Islamist movements is not in the tradition of Islam. These zealots should ask the question: What would Prophet Mohammed have done when faced with this insult?
He would, I suggest, have said a prayer for the cartoonist and "turned away from the ignorant," as Allah commanded him to do in the Koran.
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Tarek Fatah is host of a weekly TV show on CTS-TV, The Muslim Chronicle, and is the communication director of the Muslim Canadian Congress
During his lifetime, Prophet Mohammed endured insults and ridicule on a daily basis. His opponents mocked his message and used physical violence to stop him from challenging the status quo.
At no stage during this ordeal did the Prophet lose his temper or react to these provocations. Tradition has it that he would, instead, offer a prayer of forgiveness to those who showed contempt for him.
Today, however, many followers of Prophet Mohammed are acting the exact opposite. Reacting to the provocative Danish cartoons about the Prophet, they are burning newspapers, threatening journalists, issuing bomb threats, yet claiming they are standing up for the Prophet himself.
I have seen the cartoons published by the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten. There is no question they are meant to hurt the feelings of Muslims. As I saw them, I had to restrain my anger. Once more, Muslims were being depicted as a violent people. (One particularly derisive cartoon showed the Prophet wearing a turban with a bomb inside it.)
No one in the Muslim community is willing to buy into the notion that these cartoons were not meant to promote racism against Muslims. The editors may say otherwise, but the community knows better when it is depicted as the "other," to be scorned and sidelined.
Caricaturing racial minorities has been a tradition in Europe and North America since long before it became acceptable to deride Muslims. In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, it wasn't uncommon to see Jews and blacks depicted negatively. Today, thanks to the great work of many civil rights and anti-racism activists, no newspaper would invoke press freedom to depict Jews and blacks or their leaders the way the Danish paper depicted the Prophet.
Having said that, the way some Muslims have reacted to the provocation leaves a lot to be desired. Provoked, they walked blindfolded into a trap set for them, and came out worse than what they started with.
In Canada, we had a similar case, if not of the same magnitude. In the mid-90s, a Toronto man distributed highly inflammatory literature against Islam and the Prophet. Unlike our European colleagues and some fanatics of the Middle East, Canadian Muslims took up the case with the police and the gentleman was charged under Ontario hate laws and convicted. End of story.
In the Danish case, the Arab world's reaction, led by the Egyptian government, suggests there is more to it than meets the eye. Thousands in the Arab world have protested against the publication of the cartoons. The Danish paper has received bomb threats. Two armed groups threatened yesterday to target Frenchmen and Norwegians in the Palestinian territories, as well as Danes, after the caricatures were published in their countries.
Many believe that Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak's government is acting not for the love for Islam, but for love of the power it has usurped for decades.
Egyptian-American journalist Mona Eltahawy, a regular columnist for the London newspaper Sharq AlAwsat, wrote in the Egyptian newspaper Al-Dastour: "Perhaps the Muslim governments who spearheaded the campaign -- led by Egypt -- felt this was an easy way to burnish their Islamic credentials at a time when domestic Islamists are stronger than they have been in many years."
For the Arab League to demand that the Danish government shut down the newspaper Jyllands-Posten shows how deeply entrenched dictatorial practices are in many Muslim countries. They are so accustomed to closing down their own newspapers, they could not understand why the Danish government could not issue a decree closing the Jyllands-Posten.
This posturing by Arab governments and Islamist movements is not in the tradition of Islam. These zealots should ask the question: What would Prophet Mohammed have done when faced with this insult?
He would, I suggest, have said a prayer for the cartoonist and "turned away from the ignorant," as Allah commanded him to do in the Koran.
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Tarek Fatah is host of a weekly TV show on CTS-TV, The Muslim Chronicle, and is the communication director of the Muslim Canadian Congress
For the love of Allah, what difference does it make if it's Jews? There are plenty of other major religions, you know. But since you think you have a point, here you go:Captain Mazda wrote:Again, show that Jews are made fun of on a regular basis in public newspapers around the world. Just show me.Tormentius wrote:Thats irrelevant. Every other major world religion gets fun poked at it, thats part of a democratic society that espouses free speech.Geebs wrote: Plus, it wasn't "a muslim", it was the prophet mohammed
Here's one criticizing both Jews and Muslims:
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Take a look at the one's Werldhed just posted for an example. You don't see any bomb threats or embassy burnings over those now do you?Captain Mazda wrote:
Again, show that Jews are made fun of on a regular basis in public newspapers around the world. Just show me.
On that note, quit attempting to redirect the topic to a Jew vs Muslim issue. The point is that other religions get made fun of all the time but you don't see them burning flags and buildings over over a perceived insult.