Careers involving computers?

Post by **I cant spell u** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:46 pm

I'm trying to plan a career for my self, and I'd rather have one doing something I like than something I don't. So what are the careers these days involving computers? The ones I know of are computer programming and networking.

Post by **duffman91** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:52 pm

I won't list them all, but a general summary is:

I.T. - helpdesk, network administration, systems administrator
Programming - Technical writer, programmer, software architect, project manager
web/databse - database administrator, web content creator

edit: I will also say to you what I've told all the CS freshmen I ever met while at UNI: There is a huge difference between enjoying the use of computers and enjoying the theory behind them.

Post by **Grudge** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:53 pm

How old are you?

Programmers are a dime a dozen these days, try to find some kind of speciality that will set you apart from all the average computer science plebs.

Post by **duffman91** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:54 pm

Grudge wrote:How old are you?

Programmers are a dime a dozen these days, try to find some kind of speciality that will set you apart from all the average computer science plebs.

I love factless comments.

Every computer scientist I know was hired within months of completion of their degree and are making more than enough pay. Including myself.

And no, programmers are not a dime a dozen. There are a bunch of jackoffs that know PHP and some general OOP that sling their shit as if it don't stink. The truth is, good programmers are hard to find.

Post by **Grudge** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:01 pm

Well, I guess you're right since I can't spell u probably lives in the US, but the job market is very different here from yours. People graduate faster than new jobs are created over here, so you have a surplus of inexperienced people and not enough experienced ones.

Post by **duffman91** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:03 pm

If you finish Uni with nothing under your belt to call experience, then quite honestly, you did not do Uni correctly.

Post by **I cant spell u** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:11 pm

Grudge wrote:How old are you?

15.

Post by **Grudge** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:15 pm

Yeah, tell me about it.

We're trying to recruit 2 Java developers right now, and there's no way we can just put in an ad or try to find someone through a career network without being swamped by applications from fresh graduates with fuckall to show except what they've done in their Uni classes.

We're a small company and we can't afford to hire an entry level graduate, we need experienced people who know what the hell they're doing. The only way to get a hold of someone like that seems to be either if you know someone personally that suddenly becomes available, or if you hire a headhunter and pay them a big pile of money to handle the recruiting.

Post by **duffman91** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:40 pm

I cant spell u wrote:
Grudge wrote:How old are you?

15.

LOL, worry about fucking girls and doing drugs for 3 more years. You're a fucking kid.

Post by **Denz** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:41 pm

I draw on the computer for a living so you can take that route if you wish.

Post by **Lotad** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:43 pm

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Post by **duffman91** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:44 pm

Grudge wrote:Yeah, tell me about it.

We're trying to recruit 2 Java developers right now, and there's no way we can just put in an ad or try to find someone through a career network without being swamped by applications from fresh graduates with fuckall to show except what they've done in their Uni classes.

We're a small company and we can't afford to hire an entry level graduate, we need experienced people who know what the hell they're doing. The only way to get a hold of someone like that seems to be either if you know someone personally that suddenly becomes available, or if you hire a headhunter and pay them a big pile of money to handle the recruiting.

Yeah, I know the pain. Being able to market yourself is definatelly something that Uni won't teach. But if you guys can't afford an entry level guy, what makes you think that experienced coders will apply? :icon16: Wouldn't they expect more money?

What I hate about trying to hire programmers is that you get a fuckload of indians that can't speak nor write code worth a damn. Not being racist, its a fucking fact.

Post by **Tsakali_** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:44 pm

Denz wrote:I draw on the computer for a living so you can take that route if you wish.

graphic design is sexy

Post by **duffman91** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:46 pm

Lotad wrote:Systems Analyst
Systems Analyst
Systems Analyst
Systems Analyst
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Haven't all those jobs been reduced to consulting firms?

Post by **Lotad** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:47 pm

Systems Analyst

Post by **Grudge** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:48 pm

duffman91 wrote:
Grudge wrote:Yeah, tell me about it.

We're trying to recruit 2 Java developers right now, and there's no way we can just put in an ad or try to find someone through a career network without being swamped by applications from fresh graduates with fuckall to show except what they've done in their Uni classes.

We're a small company and we can't afford to hire an entry level graduate, we need experienced people who know what the hell they're doing. The only way to get a hold of someone like that seems to be either if you know someone personally that suddenly becomes available, or if you hire a headhunter and pay them a big pile of money to handle the recruiting.
Yeah, I know the pain. Being able to market yourself is definatelly something that Uni won't teach. But if you guys can't afford an entry level guy, what makes you think that experienced coders will apply? :icon16: Wouldn't they expect more money?

What I hate about trying to hire programmers is that you get a fuckload of indians that can't speak nor write code worth a damn. Not being racist, its a fucking fact.

I didn't mean afford pay-wise, more like we need someone who can work independently and can take on responsibilities right from the start, since we don't have time to hold their hands for the first six months. Experience with dealing with customers and working in a project is a must, because we have no one who can do it for them.

Post by **Grudge** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:49 pm

duffman91 wrote:
I cant spell u wrote:
Grudge wrote:How old are you?

15.
LOL, worry about fucking girls and doing drugs for 3 more years. You're a fucking kid.

agreed, there is no rush to decide on a career yet, try out as many things as possible and do what you find is most fun

Post by **duffman91** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:54 pm

Grudge wrote:
duffman91 wrote:
Grudge wrote:Yeah, tell me about it.

We're trying to recruit 2 Java developers right now, and there's no way we can just put in an ad or try to find someone through a career network without being swamped by applications from fresh graduates with fuckall to show except what they've done in their Uni classes.

We're a small company and we can't afford to hire an entry level graduate, we need experienced people who know what the hell they're doing. The only way to get a hold of someone like that seems to be either if you know someone personally that suddenly becomes available, or if you hire a headhunter and pay them a big pile of money to handle the recruiting.
Yeah, I know the pain. Being able to market yourself is definatelly something that Uni won't teach. But if you guys can't afford an entry level guy, what makes you think that experienced coders will apply? :icon16: Wouldn't they expect more money?

What I hate about trying to hire programmers is that you get a fuckload of indians that can't speak nor write code worth a damn. Not being racist, its a fucking fact.
I didn't mean afford pay-wise, more like we need someone who can work independently and can take on responsibilities right from the start, since we don't have time to hold their hands for the first six months. Experience with dealing with customers and working in a project is a must, because we have no one who can do it for them.

Ahhh.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:59 pm

duffman91 wrote:
I cant spell u wrote:
Grudge wrote:How old are you?

15.
LOL, worry about fucking girls and doing drugs for 3 more years. You're a fucking kid.

Fuck yeah, I'm 19 and I've only decided what I wanted to do a week ago.

Post by **Clauz** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:04 pm

I am in healthcare IT consulting and it's pretty fucking sweet.

Post by **Deathshroud** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:07 pm

So what do you career programmers suggest to Uni students? Pick up some kinda Linux developement project? I can't really think of much else.

Post by **Lotad** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:14 pm

Learn to code games. Don't expect to go straight into a big company, work on mods. Mod teams always need good coders.

Post by **R00k** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:35 pm

Clauz wrote:I am in healthcare IT consulting and it's pretty fucking sweet.

If you get in the healthcare industry and learn their systems inside-out, then you're set for life.

Post by **Jackal** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:42 pm

ToxicBug wrote:
duffman91 wrote:
I cant spell u wrote: 15.
LOL, worry about fucking girls and doing drugs for 3 more years. You're a fucking kid.
Fuck yeah, I'm 19 and I've only decided what I wanted to do a week ago.

You change what you want to do every other week, the only constant is that your ideas are always retarded and you never can do your own homework.

Post by **DiscoDave** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:44 pm

I disagree, getting into an area of IT when you're young can do wonders for you in the future. I'm only 19 now but when i was 15/16 I was clearly set out to be a network engineer/systems admin. I even got paid to do the CCNA course although i couldn't complete it due to moving to uni.

I cant spell u, if you're not sure what are you want to dive in, experiment and compare wit h your interests/skills. Then think about the future with education/qualifications you might need to get the right job.