Sample Config Package, 1 more time

[R00k]

Interesting I've read through the eula a few times thus far...and no where does it say that if I create some thing for Q4 that it automatically becomes property of id or Raven.

I'm still unsure where some of you idiots are coming up with the idea that I intend to sell these...since I have made no mention or gesture in that direction.

You guys are just pulling shit out of your ass trying to find some grounds on which to stand on when there are NONE.

Basically at this point all I see is a bunch of punks acting up because some one doesn't want to play with them.

Also I don't think you'll find id or Raven taking your side here...they certainly don't want their game distributed where ever how ever with out concent...like what is happening with my scripts.

You guys are sending a really bad message to developers of content for this game...also some thing Raven or id would not want to get behind.

What do you think would happen if I wrote a DOS batch file that said

ECHO Writing IP Configuration
ipconfig>C:\ipconfig.txt
PAUSE

And tried to copyright it and set restrictions on people using it?

Give up already man, your position is useless.

[R00k]

And BTW, by setting such restrictions and making such a fuss over people using your scripts, you've completely undermined the entire point of the collaborative community you're claiming to espouse to begin with.

GG.

Tell me - how does the community benefit from having scripts such as yours without being able to change and share them?

[Nologic]

Rook -

first off you would probably have a bitch of a time with prior art.

That said I have seen batch scripts copyrighted, and a price tag affixed to it for comercial use.

My restrictions are on how and where it gets distributed...and frankly there wasn't even that till riddla acted up.

prior to all the bullshit being kicked up I was actually sharing some of my prior scripts and encouraging others to work on porting them over, with simply putting in notice of me being the original author.

I see nothing truely colaborative about this community other than ganging up on some one. I pitched in...then I walked away...then riddla starts talking shit and distributing my stuff with out permission to do so.

So tell me how does it help the comminty at all when I stop writing and sharing my scripts completely? Because thats whats going to happen if you keep letting riddla steer this community.

Yeah I wasn't sharing my works here...but I was still sharing them else where...now I got riddla going and snagging on links from other sites thus preventing me from sharing there...all because he has to seem like some hot shot.

I'm a hot head no doubt about that...generaly it just takes a while and I cool down...this thread was originally a sign of that fact..I didn't need any one kissing my ass...just time to be left the fuck alone. How ever shortly after making this thread WITH the scripts originally linked to...I noticed once again riddla being a punk...and thus with drew my support here once again.

The side effect of this is that now not only will you not be able to get newer builds to toy with here but else where as well because of riddla's actions.

So if you want to be pissed at me for not sharing my creations here...fine...but be damn sure you upset with riddla because you can't grab them else where.

Tell me exactly how honest this community is here...got guys here straight up removing my name from the scripts and tagging theirs instead...Yeah I got some stuff in my collection based off of rgoers handy work...guess what his name is still attached to it isn't it, with my only taking revision credit since well thats all I did is revise it.

The actions here on this forum are that of scum, not of a helpful or concerned community.

Any ways maybe one of these days you guys will stop and think what your actually doing.

Right now you guys are telling possible asset creators that they will no NO control over what they make...it maybe a texture for a certain map in Q4...but that here its fair game for any map...Q4, CoD2, UT2k4 what ever, where ever, commercial or free. Who knows and who cares seems to be the moto of this forum.

You guys have already stopped me from making a previousely commercail product freeware, and stalled and hell maybe even now stopped the creation of another bit of freeware.

Every one here just isn't catching on...I'm not getting hurt here...all of you are. Your bring to an end the freebies that I was willing to bring to the table and are in all likely hood stopping others from doing the same.

I sure as hell am not going to try and nudge aphextwin into making a server runner app for Q4...which I see the community at large has shown its respect to him by hacking his site...how cute.

Every one here is drawing to a close the free ride...I guess it'll be a cute story to tell your kids about.

[MKJ]

uploaded a better version, check it out here

copyright by me btw.

[Foo]

On Not Reacting Like A Loser

Odds are you'll screw up a few times on hacker community forums — in ways detailed in this article, or similar. And you'll be told exactly how you screwed up, possibly with colourful asides. In public.

When this happens, the worst thing you can do is whine about the experience, claim to have been verbally assaulted, demand apologies, scream, hold your breath, threaten lawsuits, complain to people's employers, leave the toilet seat up, etc. Instead, here's what you do:

Get over it. It's normal. In fact, it's healthy and appropriate.

Community standards do not maintain themselves: They're maintained by people actively applying them, visibly, in public. Don't whine that all criticism should have been conveyed via private e-mail: That's not how it works. Nor is it useful to insist you've been personally insulted when someone comments that one of your claims was wrong, or that his views differ. Those are loser attitudes.

There have been hacker forums where, out of some misguided sense of hyper-courtesy, participants are banned from posting any fault-finding with another's posts, and told “Don't say anything if you're unwilling to help the user.” The resulting departure of clueful participants to elsewhere causes them to descend into meaningless babble and become useless as technical forums.

Exaggeratedly “friendly” (in that fashion) or useful: Pick one.

Remember: When that hacker tells you that you've screwed up, and (no matter how gruffly) tells you not to do it again, he's acting out of concern for (1) you and (2) his community. It would be much easier for him to ignore you and filter you out of his life. If you can't manage to be grateful, at least have a little dignity, don't whine, and don't expect to be treated like a fragile doll just because you're a newcomer with a theatrically hypersensitive soul and delusions of entitlement.

Sometimes people will attack you personally, flame without an apparent reason, etc., even if you don't screw up (or have only screwed up in their imagination). In this case, complaining is the way to really screw up.

These flamers are either lamers who don't have a clue but believe themselves to be experts, or would-be psychologists testing whether you'll screw up. The other readers either ignore them, or find ways to deal with them on their own. The flamers' behavior creates problems for themselves, which don't have to concern you.

Don't let yourself be drawn into a flamewar, either. Most flames are best ignored — after you've checked whether they are really flames, not pointers to the ways in which you have screwed up, and not cleverly ciphered answers to your real question (this happens as well).

hoho

[Nologic]

Thats one way to spin it...but the issue is the ditribution of files with out the right to do so.

Which in turn in nipping every one here and else where in the ass, as outlined prior.

[ek]

:OLO:

[Nightshade]

Thats one way to spin it...but the issue is the ditribution of files with out the right to do so.

Which in turn in nipping every one here and else where in the ass, as outlined prior.

So, what's your "lawyer's" take on all this? A mild smirk or laughing directly in your face?

[MKJ]

lawyers
at least killtron had a friend of his write an email.


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[R00k]

...

A couple things. Riddla doesn't steer shit in the community; he's a moderator on the forum. I don't know if you were ever here at q3w before this episode or not. But back in the Q3 days, people posted their scripts all the time. They were distributed, people used them, and guess what - nobody ever changed the original author's name on them, because nobody cared.

Nobody is 'out to get you' even by an exaggerated definition of the phrase. But when you provide scripts, and then try to tell people how lucky they are to have your wonderful work and should be happy they don't have to pay for them, then people are going to think you're a pompous ass, and are going to give you a hard time over it, and guess what - they'll probably find their scripts elsewhere.

I know you're proud of your gaming scripts and that's fine. But you've got an over-inflated sense of self-importance, and that's why you're getting drubbed in here by everyone who watched the ridiculous saga. Hell, even when the admin of this site - who has plenty of experience playing and scripting - asked for scripts, you couldn't share yours without trying to be condescending.

In short, you're being ridiculed for the sad way you've conducted yourself during this tantrum-like episode, not because anybody was dying to use your scripts. And as long as you keep thinking all this is about some text files you typed up, you're going to continue missing the point completely, and continue to get flamed by everyone who stops into the forums and sees how you conduct yourself, including me.

Hell, I deleted your scripts months ago, I don't want to use anything with your name on it.

[Nologic]

Riddla doesn't...but he's a mod right...and a mods job is to enforce what is and isn't acceptable, and to lead by example. hmmm

I was here for long enough...and I shared and with no restrictions prior. I still do the same in other gaming communitys...just with Q4 things have been forced to change. Whether or not people didn't remove authorship from scripts prior I haven't a clue, but I have seen a number of maps ported to Q4 here with out the concent of the original author.

hmm no one is out to get me eh? Well probably not but there is certainly some one out to annoy the hell out of me...hence riddla going to OTHER sites to find links to my works. Okay now your hitting the problem on the head...problem here is people don't seem to understand that when you get free content from any one...frankly your lucky bar none. How ever every one here seems to embrace the concept that they are owed every thing. Again you like others talk of moneys when there was no talk of such things other than by those engaged in flaming me.

"over-inflated sense of self-importance" Like what I don't want to share my creations with those that shit on me...thats not over-inflated...thats just realizing one has actual self worth.

First off raw didn't ask for scripts he asked for help on one that he was working on. Yes I made a comment that was a bit off color that could be taken a few different ways...how ever leave it to this forum to drive home the darkist inflection to it. Hell even tried to back pedel on that one...didn't matter the forum was intent that there should be a flame war...and raw who had been now fully disrespected in the communitys eyes was more than willing to have one.

It has not a damn thing to do with how I conducted my self here, its all about a bunch forum lurkers trying to build some sense of self worth, by putting some one else down. Which in and of it self isn't wrong...morally distasteful...but not wrong. How ever many in here have gone past flames and have resorted to doing stuff which is illegal...such as the unauthorised distrabution of my files.

If you want to fall in with this crowd there is little I can do, but you of all people know that half the shit your talking about is just that shit. Becaue you where one of those people that I was encouraging to port some of my prior scripts, no restrictions, just notice of original authorship...isn't that correct? You where also around when the scripts where first posted...was there restrictions on them at that point? Was there any notice of moneys due in lew of use of said scripts?

You want to turn on me fine, but if you have any honor you should at least stick to the facts...but I don't expect you have honor, if you did...well you wouldn't be here putting the spin on things that you have.

I guess in the end I'm just a bad judge of character, of who to work with on collaborative efforts...

By the way that area ctf script did get put into later builds...if you where wondering...which I guess your probably not at this point.

[Nologic]

No I wasn't refering to your server script, I have my own thank you very much.

[Underpants?]

uploaded a better version, check it out here

copyright by me btw.

MKJ your scripts are a life saver, thanks!

[R00k]

...

I think the piece of context you're missing here in judging this community, is that every so often someone comes around who threatens to sue everyone who posted their picture without authorization, or threaten to sue the site/admins because one of the mods was unapologetic about that person getting what they thought was bad treatment.

Coming to this community can be a lot like trying to become a regular at a country club, a bar, or even a prison - i.e. your reputation comes from your attitude and the way you conduct yourself as much as it comes from what you create. In other words, this is a social community more than a professional one.

Nothing that has been done here is illegal, and if you continue to try threatening people, you will continue to have shit thrown in your general direction, because by now everyone here is fully aware you can't sue just because someone linked to Q4 scripts you already placed in the public domain.

In any case, you're probably going to get ridiculed for a while for a few ridiculous statements you've made. If you really want people to focus on your work, then the best thing you could do would be to just stop caring who can or cannot access them, and post them for anyone who wants them, and just buck up and take your licks instead of dragging everything out by trying to defend those ridiculous comments. If you're going to continue to try to defend your earlier statements, there's really not much point in posting here unless you just enjoy recreating the whole scenario over and over again.

I'm glad you were able to get some good use out of those CTF configs.

[MKJ]

uploaded a better version, check it out here

copyright by me btw.

MKJ your scripts are a life saver, thanks!

np dude. i hereby give you permission to share it with all your friends :icon14:
cause if i didnt id have to sue you

[Nologic]

Okay first things first...this forum isn't public domain...nor are any of the others that I've posted to. They are all private...and have been ruled that way by the courts here in America. Also if it was truely public then bans couldn't be put in place, nor censorship imposed.

So I never posted any thing in public domain, nor did I state that my creations where released into public domain or under some sort of creative commons lic. So it should be assumed that since I live with in the boarders of the United States of America that my creations would then fall under American law...the server this site is ran on is also with in the boarders of the USA if I recall correctly...and more than likely so are all the other servers that I posted to.

In reality, people are doing some thing illegal by distributing my works with out permission, take what ever view you wish of it...facts are facts.

Also you seem to think that I'm looking for some sort of acceptance...which I'm not...if I was I would have bent over by now and let riddla have his way with me.

At this point I really see no reason to share my stuff with any one, there simply is NO reason to share some thing just so one gets kicked in the face.

Any ways I'm done posting here...I guess we'll have to see what turns up in court.

[ek]

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA BOARDERS

[R00k]

Okay first things first...this forum isn't public domain...nor are any of the others that I've posted to. They are all private...and have been ruled that way by the courts here in America. Also if it was truely public then bans couldn't be put in place, nor censorship imposed.

So I never posted any thing in public domain, nor did I state that my creations where released into public domain or under some sort of creative commons lic. So it should be assumed that since I live with in the boarders of the United States of America that my creations would then fall under American law...the server this site is ran on is also with in the boarders of the USA if I recall correctly...and more than likely so are all the other servers that I posted to.

In reality, people are doing some thing illegal by distributing my works with out permission, take what ever view you wish of it...facts are facts.

Also you seem to think that I'm looking for some sort of acceptance...which I'm not...if I was I would have bent over by now and let riddla have his way with me.

At this point I really see no reason to share my stuff with any one, there simply is NO reason to share some thing just so one gets kicked in the face.

Any ways I'm done posting here...I guess we'll have to see what turns up in court.

Suit yourself, we look forward to hearing from your "lawyer."

But if you aren't looking for acceptance, then why are you here posting again?

Dickhead.

[R00k]

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA BOARDERS

I AM IN A BOARDER

[Tormentius]

...if I was I would have bent over by now and let riddla have his way with me.

The entire forum has had their way with you...frequently :icon26:

[Scourge]

Already said it a few times, pseudo-coders can't spell for shit. Maybe why his scripts are so-so. Learn how to spell asshole and maybe you could actually learn real code instead of just tweaking existing scripts. Rook was right. No one is after your scripts. Lol, I don't write scripts, but I could probably crank out stuff that good after a couple weeks of studying them. Get a grip on reality before you blow a head gasket. Believe me when I say that your scripts would not be missed if you never posted here again. As has been said, many people can do it. Now, take a giant chill pill and relax a bit and you might be welcome around here once you get the gist of how it works.

[MKJ]

omg this is a .com site so its AMERICAN! GET THE FUCK OFF MY PROPERTY YOU FILTHY FOREIGNER YOURE LUCKY YOURE ALLOWED TO BE HERE *cocks shotgun*

pathetic yank

[seremtan]

you haven't read me my miranda rights yet, officer bacon