i'm not saying a missile didn't hit the pentagon...but a plane most certianly did hit it...
the question is how did it hit it without being intercepted before and why is the govt hiding the 80 cameras that captured it hitting the building? i think alex jones is right...the govt is building a strawman they r gonna knock down at a later time...
a defining attribute of a government is that it has a monopoly on the legitimate exercise of violence...
Freakaloin wrote:the point is...it doesn't really matter what hit the pentagon...it doesn't change the fact that the govt did it...u see if it was a plane how did the pilots get norad to stand down and for the pentagon air defense system to itself off among dozens of other impossibilities...
Do you know how close National Airport is to the pentagon? It takes a plane about 30 secs to get from the airport to the pentagon once its in the air. Planes (at that time) regularly flew almost directly over the pentagon. They also flew above DC - which was technically forbidden, but no one seemed to give a shit.
no they don't and didn't...the pentagon has a missiles system that automatically shoots down things that fly over it...and did before 911 as well...how else would it be the most secure building in the world dumbo?...or so they have always said...
So your saying that in a time when most people in the government weren't going to work in the morning thinking that terrorists would use planes as missiles, where planes flew over the potomac regularly, that the government would have intentionally shot down a plane full of civilians for veering slightly off course at a moments notice?
You have to consider the pre-911 mentality. A slightly off course plane back then didnt mean 'terrorism' - it may have been a malfunction or pilot error. Is that really enough to shoot down a civilian aircraft? Imagine if it was something as simple as an equipment malfunction - and the government shot down a plane full of 200 civilians. What a nightmare that would be. And every conspiracy nut on the planet would come up with a theory as to why that plane was shot down - because ppl like that NEVER believe the official explanation, no matter how true it is.
Not necesarilly. But by assuming that this is a conspiracy your also assuming that the Bush administration is competent enough to pull something this massive and complex off.
The more likely explanation for 9/11 and the following events: governmental incompetence followed by severe overreaction.
5) ARFF Captain Michael Defina said: "The only way you could tell that an aircraft was inside was that we saw pieces of the nose gear."
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The Navy operations area, where the cockpit was discovered, was in C-ring near the punchout hole. Many witnesses also recalled seeing plane wreckage in A-E Drive next to the punchout hole. The following three items were mentioned: a piece of the nose fuselage or nose cone, a landing gear, and a tire tread.
6) Navy Lt. Commander David Tarantino described the A-E Drive punchout hole: "They found an area where fire surrounded a hole in a wall that was blown out. They heard cries from people who were trapped and saw a plane tire."
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7) Lt. Kevin Schaeffer from the Navy Command Center recalled that "on a service road that circled the Pentagon between the B and C rings, a chunk of the 757's nose cone and front landing gear lay on the pavement a few feet away, resting against the B Ring wall."
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8) "The nose of the plane just barely jutted out into A/E Drive (the street that runs around the inside of the building). It made a perfectly round, 5-foot hole in the wall. There was one set of landing gear (presumably from the nose) out in A/E Drive. But most of the plane's skin was in pieces not much bigger than a piece of notebook paper." (From a letter by an employee of the Pentagon)
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9) "I thought it was a terrorist bomb. . . .But then I saw the landing gear. It was on the ground in the alley between the B and C rings. When I saw it there, not only did I realize an airplane had struck the Pentagon but it was clear that the plane had come through the E, D, and C buildings to get there." (Paul K. Carlton, Jr., U.S. Air Force surgeon general, quoted by Dean Murphy, "September 11: An Oral History," p. 216
10) Rep. Ted Tiahrt wrote: "In the C and B rings the plane had punched a hole you could a drive a truck around in, and I saw an airplane tire. It made it very real."
You are aware of humour yes? And you are aware that 'the patriots' are a group from Metal Gear Solid right? A game. It was humour. If I believed that it wasn't a plane I would be insane. So laugh, I was making fun of freak.
Trust your government.
StormShadow wrote:Trust Dan Brown!
Why would I trust a third rate fiction writer who doesn't understand that French intellectuals like to play tricks?
StormShadow wrote:
Do you know how close National Airport is to the pentagon? It takes a plane about 30 secs to get from the airport to the pentagon once its in the air. Planes (at that time) regularly flew almost directly over the pentagon. They also flew above DC - which was technically forbidden, but no one seemed to give a shit.
no they don't and didn't...the pentagon has a missiles system that automatically shoots down things that fly over it...and did before 911 as well...how else would it be the most secure building in the world dumbo?...or so they have always said...
So your saying that in a time when most people in the government weren't going to work in the morning thinking that terrorists would use planes as missiles, where planes flew over the potomac regularly, that the government would have intentionally shot down a plane full of civilians for veering slightly off course at a moments notice?
You have to consider the pre-911 mentality. A slightly off course plane back then didnt mean 'terrorism' - it may have been a malfunction or pilot error. Is that really enough to shoot down a civilian aircraft? Imagine if it was something as simple as an equipment malfunction - and the government shot down a plane full of 200 civilians. What a nightmare that would be. And every conspiracy nut on the planet would come up with a theory as to why that plane was shot down - because ppl like that NEVER believe the official explanation, no matter how true it is.
first off all moron...the govt had been doing training drills for decades before 911 with planes crashing into building including the pentagon and wtc buildings so thats retarded...wait u think that cuz bush and condi said no one could have ever imagined planes being used as weapons...lol ur easily brainwashed...
secondly...its an automated system...
and third...wtc had already been hit...
all i can concluded is ur a complete brainwashed moron...
a defining attribute of a government is that it has a monopoly on the legitimate exercise of violence...
Freakaloin wrote:
no they don't and didn't...the pentagon has a missiles system that automatically shoots down things that fly over it...and did before 911 as well...how else would it be the most secure building in the world dumbo?...or so they have always said...
So your saying that in a time when most people in the government weren't going to work in the morning thinking that terrorists would use planes as missiles, where planes flew over the potomac regularly, that the government would have intentionally shot down a plane full of civilians for veering slightly off course at a moments notice?
You have to consider the pre-911 mentality. A slightly off course plane back then didnt mean 'terrorism' - it may have been a malfunction or pilot error. Is that really enough to shoot down a civilian aircraft? Imagine if it was something as simple as an equipment malfunction - and the government shot down a plane full of 200 civilians. What a nightmare that would be. And every conspiracy nut on the planet would come up with a theory as to why that plane was shot down - because ppl like that NEVER believe the official explanation, no matter how true it is.
first off all moron...the govt had been doing training drills for decades before 911 with planes crashing into building including the pentagon and wtc buildings so thats retarded...wait u think that cuz bush and condi said no one could have ever imagined planes being used as weapons...lol ur easily brainwashed...
secondly...its an automated system...
and third...wtc had already been hit...
all i can concluded is ur a complete brainwashed moron...
All you can 'concluded'? LOL. You write like Bush speaks.
Yes people in the government were aware that planes could be flown into buildings. But is that the first thing that pops into their heads when a plane strays off course? Probably not - especially in an area where planes do not strictly adhere to no fly zones.
Also, why would the Pentagon need to be hit? Wouldnt the WTC have been enough for Bush to pull off this stunt?
That's right. You and Geoff are the only ones to uncover Bush's plan...
Monster w/ 21 Faces wrote:You are aware of humour yes? And you are aware that 'the patriots' are a group from Metal Gear Solid right? A game. It was humour. If I believed that it wasn't a plane I would be insane. So laugh, I was making fun of freak.
