when to use detail brushes?

Post by **fKd** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:30 am

can anyoe plz tell me what detail brushes do... and when to use em? is there any point in using em??

Post by **Fjoggs** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:03 am

no point sorry

Post by **Anwulf** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:36 am

Any brush that doesn't seal off the hull of a map from the void can be made detail. That tends to mean brushes used as decoration in a map. It helps speed up the vis process because only the major parts of the structure of the map are considered.

Post by **pjw** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:45 am

Fjoggs wrote:no point sorry

@ fKd, like Anwulf said, when a complex map compiles, if the compiler had to consider every little bit of trim and crack in the floor and tiny light sticking out and stuff like that, then the compile would take forever, and your map wouldn't run as efficiently.

The detail flag is kind of a way of saying to the compiler "pretend this brush isn't there" for some purposes (like visibility calculations). Basically, all major walls, floors, etc. should be structural, and all the fussy stuff should be detail (and don't forget to use the caulk texture on hidden faces of detail brushes).

Post by **axbaby** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:57 am

detail brushes won't cast a shadow so use detail wisely

Post by **fKd** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 6:32 am

cheers for all the info

been working on my first dm map for q3... (been mapping for ut for a while... then got broadband... ut online sux... but ra has held my attention.. its like streetfight quake

)
i'll post some screens soon... btw... its not the vis that is so bad... its the lighting... anyway to make this render faster? im using q3build..

(cheers for the info bout caulk)

Post by **fKd** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:12 am

well heres some pics

texturing is miles off... old.. so old

Post by **Captain** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:25 am

Nice map :icon14:

Post by **fKd** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:36 am

getting there... spent all day on it

might get back into it

heres a link to it so far.. feedback would be nice

http://www.mysharefile.com/v/3884887/pwra1.zip.html

Post by **Fjoggs** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:48 pm

pjw wrote:
Fjoggs wrote:no point sorry

Yeah I know, but come on, if he'd use the search function or checked the stickys, he could have gotten this question answered and saved you for some time.

Post by **obsidian** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:56 pm

axbaby wrote:detail brushes won't cast a shadow so use detail wisely

For Q4 perhaps (not sure about this)??

Not true for Q3.

See the sticky threads. There have already been resources and tutorials written on the subject and will go into far more detail (heh... no pun intended) than we can be bothered to post here.

Post by **seremtan** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:41 pm

axbaby wrote:detail brushes won't cast a shadow so use detail wisely

detail brushes cast shadows in Q3. detailing is a VIS optimization feature, and has no effect on lightmaps

speaking of detail brushes, a future build of radiant could colour code detail brushes in the 2D so they stand out more. this was built into CoDRadiant, and is invaluable in hammer

Post by **seremtan** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:41 pm

pjw wrote:

bwahaha

Post by **pjw** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:25 pm

Fjoggs wrote:Yeah I know, but come on, if he'd use the search function or checked the stickys, he could have gotten this question answered and saved you for some time.

Yeah, I know, but a simple "Search is your friend." or whatever would be better. Worst case, he could have taken you seriously and wandered off to compile-time hell, lost all hope in life or joy or God at about hour 400, lost his job from heavy drinking, and ended up selling his ass in a dirty Vegas backalley to support his crack addiction for the remainder of his tragic life.

All because u leid!!!

Post by **Captain** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:40 pm

Post by **Anwulf** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:26 pm

fKd wrote:heres a link to it so far.. feedback would be nice
http://www.mysharefile.com/v/3884887/pwra1.zip.html

Better to start a new thread for this, 'cos it's buried in the mass of incidental posting in this one.

Post by **Fjoggs** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:06 pm

pjw wrote:Yeah, I know, but a simple "Search is your friend." or whatever would be better. Worst case, he could have taken you seriously and wandered off to compile-time hell, lost all hope in life or joy or God at about hour 400, lost his job from heavy drinking, and ended up selling his ass in a dirty Vegas backalley to support his crack addiction for the remainder of his tragic life.

All because u leid!!!

i lub you :lub:

Post by **StormShadow** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:45 pm

fKd wrote:c
i'll post some screens soon... btw... its not the vis that is so bad... its the lighting... anyway to make this render faster? im using q3build..

use the -fast switch

Post by **AEon** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:39 pm

obsidian wrote:
axbaby wrote:detail brushes won't cast a shadow so use detail wisely
For Q4 perhaps (not sure about this)??

Not true for Q3.

Yeah... was wondering WTH

...

From what I have seen mapping for Q4, detail brushes actually *do NOT exist* at all. You can try to turn a brush into detail, and then via Ctrl+D check if Q4's editor actually hides something. It does not, so lighting can't be effected by turning a brush detail.

It may be possible to set certain flags for brushes, e.g. that they do not cast shadows. Though I have not seen that sofar.

Post by **seremtan** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:00 pm

pjw wrote:Yeah, I know, but a simple "Search is your friend." or whatever would be better. Worst case, he could have taken you seriously and wandered off to compile-time hell, lost all hope in life or joy or God at about hour 400, lost his job from heavy drinking, and ended up selling his ass in a dirty Vegas backalley to support his crack addiction for the remainder of his tragic life.

hey, i've been out of rehab for a year and my ass has almost healed. you said you weren't going to bring this up :icon33:

Post by **axbaby** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:30 pm

seremtan wrote:
axbaby wrote:detail brushes won't cast a shadow so use detail wisely
detail brushes cast shadows in Q3. detailing is a VIS optimization feature, and has no effect on lightmaps

speaking of detail brushes, a future build of radiant could colour code detail brushes in the 2D so they stand out more. this was built into CoDRadiant, and is invaluable in hammer

ow .. thanks guys for not hammering me on my error, i have mapped for years thinking details cast no shadow.

Post by **fKd** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:55 pm

why have you guys gotten so into the detail thing... it was covered.. i said thanks... why go on?

Post by **obsidian** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:28 pm

We're a bunch of level editing nerds with nothing else better to do.

Welcome to Quake3World, BTW.

Post by **fKd** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:39 pm

StormShadow... use -fast... for lighting??? i dont see that option... i see it for vis... but not lighting... :? you confused..?

Post by **Underpants?** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:43 pm

pjw wrote:
Fjoggs wrote:no point sorry

good find!